Quote Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare View Post
I've tried everything to reach people like this with virtually no success.

I don't know how much of it can be WoW-refugees, it's been a long-standing topic of debate both on these forums and in the game in general. I once suggested to someone in a discord server that I was sure they could do some dps and that they just needed to have a little faith in themselves and was told to "not tell them what they're capable of" so... yeah, there's that.

SE has made the skill floor for players doing casual content so low that bosses like the Mist Dragon in The Burn have threads here and on Reddit calling for them to be nerfed and healers got the shortest end of that stick because in a party doing small pulls in most dungeons the healer isn't even necessary.

I don't think there's anything to really do for those people other than offer advice and go from there. If they're rude about it maybe kick them? I hate the idea of advocating kicking sprouts but some people only learn with tough love.

Bit of irony to me, at least in this post lol. Mist Dragon is where I felt I was finally challenged when I transitioned to being a WHM main. I think what a lot of legitimately new/former other mmo refugee players aren't realizing is that a lot of it comes down to really taking the time to learn your toolkit. All three healers have ways to mitigate their mana costs, or give them breathing room to sit for a few seconds if they DO run too low.

The problem is, teaching a player to Thin Air before a Ress cast, or after you've been rezzed yourself to allow for some regeneration while you patch people (and yourself) off, is generally hard to do for whatever reason. Even when you notify them calmly and considerately that there are some changes that can be made to help the group, the reaction you're generally met with is not equally kind.

I sometimes wonder if part of it is the big hit that actual teamwork has taken in MMOs. Shame, too.