Add raid tokens to currency tab

[Aivi_lo]

It is a form of currency as you have to save x amount of tokens to exchange for gear etc. I tend to horde tokens (yes I know) for glam items etc and I save up for the mounts etc, which means that they are taking up slots for quite a while. It would Def help my inventory management if these were put into the currency tab ☺️

[CorbinDallas]

Primal totems, yes. Raid currencies, no.

Reason being that NM raid items should be reworked to begin with into a single token of which you can get 1 per floor per week. Then be able to spend the same number of tokens as you would with the current system to get whatever gear pieces you want. It would allow people to get 1 big upgrade week 1 in the form of a chest piece, or 2-4 smaller upgrades in one week. Instead of need 4 weeks plus some rng to get a chest.

[ForteNightshade]

Primal totems, yes. Raid currencies, no.

Reason being that NM raid items should be reworked to begin with into a single token of which you can get 1 per floor per week. Then be able to spend the same number of tokens as you would with the current system to get whatever gear pieces you want. It would allow people to get 1 big upgrade week 1 in the form of a chest piece, or 2-4 smaller upgrades in one week. Instead of need 4 weeks plus some rng to get a chest.

They will never do this purely because that RNG aspects keeps people queuing. If you're practically guaranteed a drop from each floor, and are then able to get at least one piece each week. That means not only are you queuing less, but will gear significantly faster... which will make normal mode irrelevant all the more quickly.

[CorbinDallas]

They will never do this purely because that RNG aspects keeps people queuing. If you're practically guaranteed a drop from each floor, and are then able to get at least one piece each week. That means not only are you queuing less, but will gear significantly faster... which will make normal mode irrelevant all the more quickly.

I disagree, normal raid roulette exists and frequently puts people in current raid tiers.

[ForteNightshade]

I disagree, normal raid roulette exists and frequently puts people in current raid tiers.

Have you queued into any of the old raids directly? I helped a friend a few months back get her alt through Alex. Despite going on tank, we were waiting 20 minutes. She waited over an hour on, I believe A9-10. This was during the day, by the way. I imagine the current system exists to avoid this happening a month into say, Alphascape normal's release.

[Melichoir]

Primal totems, yes. Raid currencies, no.

Reason being that NM raid items should be reworked to begin with into a single token of which you can get 1 per floor per week. Then be able to spend the same number of tokens as you would with the current system to get whatever gear pieces you want. It would allow people to get 1 big upgrade week 1 in the form of a chest piece, or 2-4 smaller upgrades in one week. Instead of need 4 weeks plus some rng to get a chest.

So, if I understand, you want there to be one raid token that you can get per floor per week. So no distinction in raid tokens, which you then spend like usual to get gear.

What do you do when they unlock the weekly limit and everyone just grinds the most recent floor?

[CorbinDallas]

So, if I understand, you want there to be one raid token that you can get per floor per week. So no distinction in raid tokens, which you then spend like usual to get gear.

What do you do when they unlock the weekly limit and everyone just grinds the most recent floor?

You don't care either way and grind the easiest floor. By the time they unlock the loot it's largely irrelevant and mainly used for alternate jobs anyway, and anyone needing a particular floor for quest will get it done via the roulette filling their queue. It's a win win.

[Melichoir]

You don't care either way and grind the easiest floor. By the time they unlock the loot it's largely irrelevant and mainly used for alternate jobs anyway, and anyone needing a particular floor for quest will get it done via the roulette filling their queue. It's a win win.

There would be a point, because Gear dropped in the most recent raid has some level of usefulness. The problem Im seeing is your decentivizing running the other floors, which makes that content more irrelevant much more quickly. Also, much as a pain it can be, forcing players to play all floors probably reduces burn out. Youre forcing variety. People may complain about having to run the old stuff, but I feel the complaints will get substantially worse if they just grind one floor repeatedly. The argument would become "Well I shouldnt have to grind this one floor over and over if you guys just designed everything better!" with the typical not realizing the difficulties are pretty close overall.

[CorbinDallas]

There would be a point, because Gear dropped in the most recent raid has some level of usefulness. The problem Im seeing is your decentivizing running the other floors, which makes that content more irrelevant much more quickly. Also, much as a pain it can be, forcing players to play all floors probably reduces burn out. Youre forcing variety. People may complain about having to run the old stuff, but I feel the complaints will get substantially worse if they just grind one floor repeatedly. The argument would become "Well I shouldnt have to grind this one floor over and over if you guys just designed everything better!" with the typical not realizing the difficulties are pretty close overall.

Implying you couldn't just grind out which floor you wanted to whenever you want.

Like I said, NM raid roulette exists. I can queue for Midas and have a similar queue time as if I was queueing for Alphascape. It's a moot point.

Edit - I forgot, but recently they've been putting orchestrion rolls in NM chests, so there's your incentive to run more than one fight.

[whiskeybravo]

You don't care either way and grind the easiest floor. By the time they unlock the loot it's largely irrelevant and mainly used for alternate jobs anyway, and anyone needing a particular floor for quest will get it done via the roulette filling their queue. It's a win win.

I fairly certain it's just an artificial way to keep people from gearing up too fast early on, at least that tends to be what they claim. Is it annoying and sometimes unfair? For sure. But in the grand scheme of things it's there to keep people playing and make sure we don't max out in a couple of weeks. Although, for me personally, I rarely do NMs beyond the first couple of weeks so I can't say their strategy is actually effective. But I also can't say for sure if the system was different that my opinion of running NMs would change. :shrug: