Quote Originally Posted by RopeDrink View Post
and others who seem to think that Varis is under Solus control somehow. I've not seen any indication of the latter
The primary reason folks took this stance is Varis's psycho smile toward the end of the scene where he announces his intention to sure the Black Rose. The expression was wildly out-of-character for him - but quite in line for the hammy Solus. Additionally, the fact that that smile came on the tail end of a dialogue regarding Black Rose - something Solus expressed an explicit interest in due to its interactions with Light - was another suspicious indicator...

Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
Even IF Hydie was a Primal and the WoL's was tempered... Then it wouldn't make sense that they would be able to go off and become Warriors of Darkness. There's no evidence of someone who's tempered by a Primal being able to get re-tempered by ANOTHER Primal.
In fact, there's significant evidence that individuals CAN'T be re-tempered. In our first encounter with Ifrit, when he discovers that he cannot temper us, his immediate conclusion is that we've been tempered by someone else.