Please fix summoner Physick

[Kurando]

Physick removed from the ARC skill list
SCH now learn Physick at 10

Fixed

Nope, SCH has all ACN actions, even Sustain which is doesn't even need. Job crystals only teach actions from lvl 30 nothing before that, so the best thing is to Trait Physick for SMN (after lvl 30).

[Duskane]

Nope, SCH has all ACN actions, even Sustain which is doesn't even need. Job crystals only teach actions from lvl 30 nothing before that, so the best thing is to Trait Physick for SMN (after lvl 30).

They have figured out a way to let jobs just learn moves without job quest
Nothing stops them having SCH learn physick at lvl 10 and just deleting it from Arc/smn

[Kurando]

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So what job learns something under level 30 that also has a base class?

[CorbinDallas]

They have figured out a way to let jobs just learn moves without job quest
Nothing stops them having SCH learn physick at lvl 10 and just deleting it from Arc/smn

They did this with Miasma 2 if I'm not mistaken, so it is definitely a possibility. It used to be shared by both (ACN), removed from both in 4.0, then given back to SCH as a job action in 4.05.

Everyone seems to be under the impression that it would be some massive undertaking to completely separate the 2 jobs action-wise, when in actual fact it's incredibly simple.

They can just flat out remove Physick from the ACN kit and then re add it as a low level SCH exclusive ability once the crystal is equipped.

Edit - To alleviate early level pet health woes, an alternative could be to remove Physick from ACN, move Sustain to level 4, and have an early SCH trait turn Sustain into Physick, since fairies rarely (i.e. never) need a dedicated outside source of healing. They just do it themselves or survive fine on occasional AoE healing.

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So what job learns something under level 30 that also has a base class?

Scholar learns the "Enhanced Mind" trait at level 20.

[Zerathor]

Idk, physick is already a dps gain if you can galaxy brain critical heals for limit break cheese. That's it's true purpose, right?

[Kemiko]

The issue here is less competition with RDM and more having a completely useless spell in your toolkit, which was partially the point of 4.0's class skill consolidation and removal. Should SMN have a healing spell comparible to RDM? Debatable. Does it have a completely worthless spell? Without a doubt.

The easy fix is to just make the spell they have not be completely worthless. Either a trait that changes it to a completely different spell not currently existing in their kit or make it use intelligence. The other, since SMN is a DPS and has more connection to Arcanist than SMN (they both share all gear) is remove SCH from ARC entirely a scrap the odd healer bits sprinkled into ARC.

One is obviously more work than the other but a fix of some kind would be appreciated. As of right now, we have a spell that's entirely useless and that should never be the case.

[Archwizard]

The way I see it, even though SMN has Physick as a holdover from ACN, Arcanist isn't a healer either; they could just as easily have made Physick exclusive to SCH or had it replaced with another skill for SMN.

So why does ACN have Physick? My guess is for self-sustain, the ability to survive and reduce downtime in the overworld or when soloing, much like why all casters have Drain.

Now, I agree that Vercure is meant to be a large part of RDM utility, especially as SMN has a number of group buffs to improve damage. So, allow me to offer a compromise:

• SMN gains a trait that either replaces Physick or allows it to scale with INT, but limits its use to the summoner or their pet (or weakens it on other targets, ie reverse Clemency).
• Vercure gains a trait that either allows it to do splash-healing (a la Cure III) or buffs the target to increase their healing received by a percentage.
• Drain has its healing buffed, is made exclusive to BLM and replaced with a new role action.

That way RDM keeps its utility, Physick isn't completely worthless on the bar, and everyone gets a sustain tool.

[Jandor]

The way I see it, even though SMN has Physick as a holdover from ACN, Arcanist isn't a healer either; they could just as easily have made Physick exclusive to SCH or had it replaced with another skill for SMN.

Technically Arcanist isn't a healer, but compare it's level 30 pre-job kit with Conjurer and it does look very much like a healer.
You could literally just change the role (and therefore role actions) and it'd be a perfectly serviceable healing class, even with no other changes.

Anyway, that aside, physick should work just for the self-sustain aspect. Titan-egi has long since become useless and even when he had his uses he couldn't do anything about incoming raid-wide damage.

If people are really that against SMN having a working basic heal spell it could be 'upgraded' into Physick II. Slightly higher potency and cost but can only be cast on self.

SMN gains a trait that either replaces Physick or allows it to scale with INT, but limits its use to the summoner or their pet (or weakens it on other targets, ie reverse Clemency).

Just for the record, physick doesn't need a trait to scale with INT. All other shared SCH/SMN actions scale with the correct stat, no traiting required.

[Archwizard]

Technically Arcanist isn't a healer, but compare it's level 30 pre-job kit with Conjurer and it does look very much like a healer.
You could literally just change the role (and therefore role actions) and it'd be a perfectly serviceable healing class, even with no other changes.

Literally the only healing-related actions available to Arcanist are Physick and Resurrection. No AoE healing, no regen/barriers, no heal-enhancing traits. Rouse affects only damage until you become a SCH.

Though I do find it funny that people are out here talking about removing Physick and debranching the job, and not voicing their opinions on what to do about Resurrection, which affects way more of the balance than Physick.

Now taking bets on how many want SMN to still be able to rez, just not do healer's work.

Just for the record, physick doesn't need a trait to scale with INT. All other shared SCH/SMN actions scale with the correct stat, no traiting required.

The last time I used Physick, my fully-kitted level 65 SMN healed for just over 500 on a health pool of over 22k.
Physick has a higher potency than Vercure, which can restore nearly half of my capped RDM's health per cast.

Tell me again that it's scaling off the proper stat, because I guarantee that's not INT.

[Crushnight]

Change physick on smn to an ogcd heal potency/cd like second wind.

Smn is the only job that cannot heal/defend itself should things get dicey, blm while doesn't have a heal can manaward which blows smn physick out the water and think that needs to change somehow.