Removing Tank Stance Argument

[Jandor]

Before role skills, we had cross class skills. Which meant that things like provoke and rampart, you had to level gladiator to get even if you wanted to play warrior or dark knight.

Role skills was a way around that, to make it so you didn't have to level other classes and could just get some basic across the board abilities for your role. The issue ended up being there were a handful of essential ones, like provoke and rampart, and a lot of situational or just not very useful ones.

So seeing the issue, the dev team mid SB decided to just give you all the role skills and then in 5.0 work out the ui issues so you don't have to go in and 'pick' them anymore, and culling some of the useless ones.

And that's how we got to where we are now.

I don't need a recap, I played through it live.

How is any of this relevant? Everyone now gets Rampart at level 8, but why? All the tanks have different but functionally identical 30% DR skills, what's wrong with PLD getting Rampart, DRK getting Shadowskin, etc. etc.

[Duskane]

Bit of a waste to make 4 separate skills
That do the same thing for the sake of aesthetic

All the tanks are plenty different sharing 7 skills isn't gonna make them all the same Clearly ShB job trailer has shown they all play very differently

[Derio]

I wonder if rampart is still in there as one of the 7 or did they just give each tank their own additional mitigation tool.

[Giubba]

There is no additional work/time, the distinct spell effects already exist.

Always wondered about this

[Giubba]

Every time they update one of them, they'd have to update all 4. So if it was say Rampart's 20% Damage Reduction, 20s Duration, 90s Cooldown. ATM if they say make it 25% Damage reduction, they do it once, they are done. If they go the other way, they do it 4 times, test all 4 of them, then done. And if they add a 5th tank eventually... boom 5 times.
For Gunbreaker alone, they got out of coming up with a name, an icon, a tooltip, a spell effect, an animation, coding in the effects of 7 skills, just by having role skills. From a development standpoint, the more things that are shared the easier it gets, and none of these things are so important that I want them to be unique. I'd be far less happy if my combo finisher was shared than if my taunt was shared.

Ok but it didn't make sense at all with stormblood because everything was already made and ready and for SHB it would be making only partially because if the problem was 1 skill out of 20 and something.....

[OcieKo]

Ok but it didn't make sense at all with stormblood because everything was already made and ready and for SHB it would be making only partially because if the problem was 1 skill out of 20 and something.....

Future proofing, like how they mentioned a some back end work for a number crunch they're planning to be needed in 6.0. Decent chance in early SB development they we're already tossing around jobs for the 5.0/6.0/7.0 and what may be easy to work in now so it was less of an issue later.

[Bright-Flower]

They could put resources into that, but then there's the question of what are they NOT doing while they put time into making personal versions of these abiltiies for every job. This is the dev team that's adding new races that can't display a large number of helmets because they don't have the time to fit all of them onto the races before the expansion. Plus they're adding a new tank, and if they were giving every tank their own provoke, rampart, shirk etc, even if the old tanks all had their own versions for some of these gun breaker wouldn't. For me anyway this just isn't that big of a deal.

[Jandor]

What do we even need shirk for now anyway? Mobs glue themselves to whoever has tank stance on.

[Bright-Flower]

What do we even need shirk for now anyway? Mobs glue themselves to whoever has tank stance on.

Voke/shirtk to keep the OT on number 2 enmity rather than popping tank stance on and off.
Smooth things over with tank swaps.