Removing Tank Stance Argument

[whiskeybravo]

Rip. Guess I missed this:

"Role actions will be automatically obtained upon reaching the required level."

[Big-Isaac]

I honestly do not understand why we need this role action system to begin with. Instead of having every tank learn the same provoke, stun, etc, why not simply give each tank their own version of those skills that fits their job's theme?

[xJimmehx]

I honestly do not understand why we need this role action system to begin with. Instead of having every tank learn the same provoke, stun, etc, why not simply give each tank their own version of those skills that fits their job's theme?

WAR gets this "suck it" hand gesture. Where both hands are swung in towards the crotch.
DRK gets to flip the bird. or a squall imitation ex: "...." /looksaway #coldshoulder #youcantundermypain
PLD gets a pamphlet for their lord and savior Halone that they get to hand out to everyone, even people who are clearly not interested or sleeping at @6:56am.

[Big-Isaac]

Seriously, though, for taunts it could be something like this:
PLD: Emits a flash of light from the user's palm, drawing the target's attention and blinding it for 3 seconds
WAR: Angers the target by shouting at and insulting it, drawing the target's attention and increasing its movement speed by 100% for 5 seconds
DRK: Uses the darkness to cloud the target's mind so it can perceive only the DRK, forcing the target to fixate the DRK for 4 seconds

For stuns?
PLD: Shield Slam: Breaks the target's stance with a powerful hit from the user's shield, interrupting any casting
WAR: Low Blow (might as well keep it)
DRK: Choke: Uses the darkness (NOT The Force. The darkness. Totally different) to crush the target's throat, interrupting the target's cast

For Shirk:
PLD: Uses the same skill as their taunt, but channels it through the target instead. The target emits blinding light, drawing the enemy's ire
WAR: The WAR feigns to have no more interest in fighting, turning his back, pointing at the target and walking off. Insulted by the dismissive attitude, the enemies set their sights on the target
DRK: Like the PLD, the DRK uses the same skill as their taunt, but shifted towards the target. The darkness shrouds the enemies' minds, making them perceive only the target, thus compelling them to attack it.

Yeah, the WAR examples are more silly than the PLD and DRK ones, but I am serious about them. Silliness in class design is not a bad thing when applied correctly.

[Shurrikhan]

PLD: Shield Slam: Breaks the target's stance with a powerful hit from the user's shield, interrupting any casting
WAR: Low Blow (might as well keep it)
DRK: Choke: Uses the darkness (NOT The Force. The darkness. Totally different) to crush the target's throat, interrupting the target's cast

While the force choke would be pretty awesome, I have to wonder why you'd avoid their originals? Low Blow was originally the DRK-only skill, and synergized with its parry abilities since its cooldown was refreshed upon parry, while Warrior had Brutal Swing.

Give Brutal Swing the ability to pierce even Guard effects, whereby one is normally immune to stuns, albeit perhaps at lower duration when doing so.
DRK then retains Low Blow and the only true cooldown-reset mechanic on a stun.
Paladin retains the only on-demand stun in the form of Shield Bash (can keep this from breaking combos if needed) that can perhaps be made oGCD after a block, though no more often than every 15 seconds (combining it with Shield Swipe, in a sense, for efficiency).

For Shirk:
PLD: Uses the same skill as their taunt, but channels it through the target instead. The target emits blinding light, drawing the enemy's ire
WAR: The WAR feigns to have no more interest in fighting, turning his back, pointing at the target and walking off. Insulted by the dismissive attitude, the enemies set their sights on the target
DRK: Like the PLD, the DRK uses the same skill as their taunt, but shifted towards the target. The darkness shrouds the enemies' minds, making them perceive only the target, thus compelling them to attack it.

These seem good too, but... is there even any need for Shirk if tanks were to already have an enmity-lock attached to their Provoke-variants? What could go wrong in a tank swap at that point without blatant griefing?

[Jandor]

Honestly not seeing the point of role actions anymore, as others have said, just give jobs their own versions.

I also don't really see the point of shirk either. Tank stance has no drawback now.

[Bright-Flower]

Honestly not seeing the point of role actions anymore, as others have said, just give jobs their own versions.

I also don't really see the point of shirk either. Tank stance has no drawback now.

Seems to be to give roles some basic tools they want all jobs in the role to have and making unique versions for each job would add to the workload.

[Jandor]

Seems to be to give roles some basic tools they want all jobs in the role to have and making unique versions for each job would add to the workload.

A lot of the skills already existed before though, they were deleted to make room for role skills.

[Sparkthor]

The only skill which got the same use but with different names is see is Esuna, which was obtained by scholars at lvl 40. Many others roles skills were cross-class skills.

[Bright-Flower]

A lot of the skills already existed before though, they were deleted to make room for role skills.

Before role skills, we had cross class skills. Which meant that things like provoke and rampart, you had to level gladiator to get even if you wanted to play warrior or dark knight.

Role skills was a way around that, to make it so you didn't have to level other classes and could just get some basic across the board abilities for your role. The issue ended up being there were a handful of essential ones, like provoke and rampart, and a lot of situational or just not very useful ones.

So seeing the issue, the dev team mid SB decided to just give you all the role skills and then in 5.0 work out the ui issues so you don't have to go in and 'pick' them anymore, and culling some of the useless ones.

And that's how we got to where we are now.