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    Player Xakery's Avatar
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    Are melds and super gear really necessary?

    It has been bugging me forever, but figured I'd rant on here for a few. I'm tired of people complaining they don't have Ifrit's bow, or melds, or certain pieces of gear and think they will do better if they have it.
    I'm not saying that stuff is crap, but it does not ensure a win. Let's take Moogle for example. Moogle is hard. Melded gear and Ifrit weapons can be nice (except Ifrit's Cane lawl), but just because you lack it does not mean it is the reason you wipe on Moogle all the time. In my experiences in pick-ups (which is where I can only get wins), it is all about timing, combos, and sticking to a strategy.
    Does this infuriate anyone else? To hear over and over again people crying that they can't do Moogle because of this or that. Is melded gear and Ifrit weapons (namely Ifrit's bow) really necessary? Am I not getting something?
    Sure, I get awestruck at melded gear, but I have shitty melds or non at all. I parse 4/5 or 3rd on my archer (blood thirst on my feet lol and Ifrit's bow) and my Con (my preferred) has lack luster gear and few melds, but I manage to play as hard as I can and have twenty plus wins.
    What am I not understanding? Are melds that necessary? Is Ifrit's bow that needed that Archers have to have it? I know for a fact Moogle can be done with a melded crab or Uldahn bow if you lack Ifrit.
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    It can be done, but better gear makes run faster or more efficient. You definitely will not get Moogle's speedrun without Ifrit's bow however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chardrizard View Post
    It can be done, but better gear makes run faster or more efficient. You definitely will not get Moogle's speedrun without Ifrit's bow however.
    With the HQ change and jobs, it might be more than possible.
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    Currently the only equipment that you easily notice improvments on your character with are weapons, game is suffering from a slight stat inflation atm, so HQed doubleslotted gear doesnt make a huge difference.

    A few more hp,mp or stats here and there does give you a small boost, but thats just what it is; small.
    Sometimes small bonuses can make a difference, more then often it doesn't.

    But like said, weapons such as Ifrits Bow etc does however matter more as they will imrpove your damage quite a bit, they dont do miracles but they are easier to notice the imrpovement on over other weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariyaShidou View Post
    With the HQ change and jobs, it might be more than possible.
    HQ change will have nothing to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chardrizard View Post
    You definitely will not get Moogle's speedrun without Ifrit's bow however.
    Not really true.

    If everyone is doing similar dps the dps requirement to hit the 10 minute timer is just over 70 dps, its quite easily possible to hit 75+ maybe even 80+ with a crab bow and that is also with very little melds.

    Basically knowing how to maximise damage without killing yourself > gear currently.

    Edit: In terms of tanks and healers, gear definitely has a much bigger impact than it does for dps.
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    Last edited by Penguin; 03-06-2012 at 04:15 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin View Post
    Not really true.

    If everyone is doing similar dps the dps requirement to hit the 10 minute timer is just over 70 dps, its quite easily possible to hit 75+ maybe even 80+ with a crab bow and that is also with very little melds.

    Basically knowing how to maximise damage without killing yourself > gear currently.

    Edit: in terms of tanks and healers gear definitely makes a much bigger impact than it does for dps.
    Though what are the chances that the players doesn't have ifrit's bow if they can hit 70-80 dps at this point? I am sure people can pull it off, people with ifrit's bow but decided to go crab bow for proving sake.

    But what are the chances for new players with little experience on the fight to pull it off without it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chardrizard View Post
    Though what are the chances that the players doesn't have ifrit's bow if they can hit 70-80 dps at this point? I am sure people can pull it off, people with ifrit's bow but decided to go crab bow for proving sake.

    But what are the chances for new players with little experience on the fight to pull it off without it?
    The chance of a new player with very little experience with the fight pulling off the moogle speed kill in any gear is probably very unlikely, my point was the way your post came across made it sound like no matter how good you were or how experienced you were it would be impossible with anything other than an ifrit's bow.

    Anyways point is yes the bow probably makes the most difference (not as much as most probably believe) but having a fast efficient rotation, being able to control aggro while maintaining high dps and not getting blown up is far more important than how many triple/quad melds you may have.
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    Yoso Carrasco
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    At the very least everyone should have 1 materia on all their gear since that's what content is balanced around, primal weapons not necessary but you do need 1 materia on a regular weapon just like armor. It's no risk and not taking the effort to do just that is really just you bringing the rest of your group down.

    That said, practice and teamwork are the most important factor, especially in the primal fights. I have much more success when the group consists of mostly my LS with "weaker" classes because we know how to work with each other.
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    Player Xakery's Avatar
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    Okay thanks for the feedback!
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