They should add a Weekly Savage Content Roullete

[Risvertasashi]

I'd settle for having a test run of Coil in the roulette. If people can do Binding, normal Second, and Final in a roulette, then maybe other high end duties can be included.

That said, unless the reward is really tempting, I don't think people will have enough patience to try such a thing synced with random people.

This is actually a really bad idea because of the way jobs work at level 50 now. Job kits are essentially designed around level 70 so that would be the best test bed for such a roulette.

[linay]

Personally, I don’t think it would be feasible to expect players to do something like T9 in synced roulette. Back when I did runs of it in HW for glamour, people could barely manage to do the meteors unsynced...

Well, it's going to be a trial, for sure.

This is actually a really bad idea because of the way jobs work at level 50 now. Job kits are essentially designed around level 70 so that would be the best test bed for such a roulette.

People are more likely to queue for current expansion content, though, especially since you can't go undersized with them anyway. Roulettes are best for old content where people would need help filling in a queue spot because fewer people are doing them or they do them undersized.

[Alucard135]

People are more likely to queue for current expansion content, though, especially since you can't go undersized with them anyway. Roulettes are best for old content where people would need help filling in a queue spot because fewer people are doing them or they do them undersized.

Why would someone, for example, use duty finder to queue for A12s? If people struggle to do raids with pugs from party finder when it can't be unsynced, how on earth would they do them in a roulette?

What's gonna happen is that someone will immediately leave the party. Because there's no point wasting 120min in something that wouldn't even be completed compared to just waiting for 30min for leaving.

[HyoMinPark]

Well, it's going to be a trial, for sure. People are more likely to queue for current expansion content, though, especially since you can't go undersized with them anyway. Roulettes are best for old content where people would need help filling in a queue spot because fewer people are doing them or they do them undersized.

Savage has never been something (on NA/EU data centers anyways) that people openly queue for in the Duty Finder/Raid Finder. All Savage is done via Party Finder here, even now when you unsync for glamour or old mounts.

I don’t think the Roulette would gain enough traction for it to be feasible. Especially when you can just unsync it. Those who want the challenge of sync generally pre-form in PF anyways. They don’t queue up for it and hope it pops (because they know that it won’t, since that’s not how things are done over here—even when the Savages were relevant).

What would tend to happen is what Alucard has described—someone will instantly leave if the Roulette hands them something actually challenging (T9, A3S, A7S, A8S, A11S, etc.), or they’ll leave after a wipe or two because of impatience/lack of willingness of the party to listen to mechanics (this already happens in Mentor Roulette EX primals when people do stay—some tend to leave if we don’t clear after a couple pulls, or if those not aware of the mechanics continuously fail to listen to explanations).

[linay]

Why would someone, for example, use duty finder to queue for A12s? If people struggle to do raids with pugs from party finder when it can't be unsynced, how on earth would they do them in a roulette?

What's gonna happen is that someone will immediately leave the party. Because there's no point wasting 120min in something that wouldn't even be completed compared to just waiting for 30min for leaving.

Savage has never been something (on NA/EU data centers anyways) that people openly queue for in the Duty Finder/Raid Finder. All Savage is done via Party Finder here, even now when you unsync for glamour or old mounts.

I don’t think the Roulette would gain enough traction for it to be feasible. Especially when you can just unsync it. Those who want the challenge of sync generally pre-form in PF anyways. They don’t queue up for it and hope it pops (because they know that it won’t, since that’s not how things are done over here—even when the Savages were relevant).

What would tend to happen is what Alucard has described—someone will instantly leave if the Roulette hands them something actually challenging (T9, A3S, A7S, A8S, A11S, etc.), or they’ll leave after a wipe or two because of impatience/lack of willingness of the party to listen to mechanics (this already happens in Mentor Roulette EX primals when people do stay—some tend to leave if we don’t clear after a couple pulls, or if those not aware of the mechanics continuously fail to listen to explanations).

Um, that's beside the point of my response to Risvertasashi. In fact, I acknowledged that problem in my first post. I don't think they will do anything with this besides what they've already included in Mentor roulette, but on the chance they are, might as well start with Coil, in my opinion, rather than a duty that is current content.

[Liam_Harper]

You might actually need a requirement of having completed that days instance for it to be viable, on top of an ilv and job crystal requirement.

There's a massive difference in skill among the playerbase. You have players who progress Ultimate and EX trials are nothing to them, and then you have players who honestly can't do more than half the required minimum to beat enrage. This is generally fine, different people enjoy different aspects of the game, except for the fact that the game gives you no indicators of your own ability. A lot of players get carried through a Normal trial and feel EX is the next small step, but what's actually required of them is worlds apart.

It would actually be cruel to openly invite the casual playerbase into an EX/Savage Roulette. They'd be kicked, abused, wipe endlessly and have no idea why. To beat EX/Savage, you have to want to do that content. It's not "hop in and see what happens lol". That's why strict requirements are fine, if you really want to do that content you'll work towards it.

[Jeeqbit]

A lot of extreme and savage contents get wasted after their tier is over. They are forgotten about and if anyone does them, they are usually done unsynced.

A roulette would let people do a random old one for fun, but with The Echo so that the mechanics are less consequential, devastating and deadly.

We could compare it to Tsuki and Suzaku normals which a lot of pugs wipe to several times, but which eventually clear with numerous deaths. You'd have to queue knowing there will be wipes but that people won't have to be hugely good because of The Echo allowing you to survive usually deadly blows.

[Awful]

If I wanted to do EX primals that is ARR, HW, or any older content I'll just do Mentor Roulette which already has it's own benefits but its also the reason why it's so looked at with disgust, I don't know how many times I got Titan EX or Levi EX or Ramuh EX and people just won't listen or use Discord or wanna communicate. That and you have Mentors just outright leaving as soon as they see what fight it is they got leading you to wait for another body, no offense to people who que into it who have 0 idea of what's going on but 90% of the time its new people throwing their body at the boss and hoping they'll clear it, which I honestly don't want in this EX roulette.

I can only imagine doing like T7 sync'd and everyones hella stoned for an hour or doing T9 and everyone's dying to meteors if savage was in there it'd be nigh impossible.

[Risvertasashi]

If I wanted to do EX primals that is ARR, HW, or any older content I'll just do Mentor Roulette which already has it's own benefits but its also the reason why it's so looked at with disgust, I don't know how many times I got Titan EX or Levi EX or Ramuh EX and people just won't listen or use Discord or wanna communicate. That and you have Mentors just outright leaving as soon as they see what fight it is they got leading you to wait for another body, no offense to people who que into it who have 0 idea of what's going on but 90% of the time its new people throwing their body at the boss and hoping they'll clear it, which I honestly don't want in this EX roulette.

I can only imagine doing like T7 sync'd and everyones hella stoned for an hour or doing T9 and everyone's dying to meteors if savage was in there it'd be nigh impossible.

The thing is mentor roulette can be almost anything. It might be EX content, but often it's not. Hence people leaving as soon as they see that.

If you have a roulette specifically for extreme/savage content, then people will have that expectation going in. They won't be hoping for a dungeon or a normal trial.

[Awful]

The thing is mentor roulette can be almost anything. It might be EX content, but often it's not. Hence people leaving as soon as they see that.

If you have a roulette specifically for extreme/savage content, then people will have that expectation going in. They won't be hoping for a dungeon or a normal trial.

I get that but you literally have to know the knowledge of these fights but most people do these unsync and because they've facerolled them hence never doing them in ARR or whatever they're not a benefit to the actual content that's in Mentor roulette. Honestly Mentor Roulette shouldn't include EX fights n such that's just me because look at fights like Sephirot EX where you need a clear understanding of the fight as well as what tethers and colors mean for that fight, I spent a lockout teaching people on Discord and we barely cleared it within the time.

That's my main gripe with this Savage Roulette people are going to go just for the quick and easy rewards and not actually want to try which is specially noticable in Mentor Roulette where you can get anything under the sun and people leave or vote for an abandon as well as having 0 communication it makes it extremely frustrating. People will be like "Omg Turn 2 of Binding Coil yes! This is quick and easy!" then they'll get T9 and be like "nah it's not worth the effort for this" and bail that's what's not great about this roulette is things like this will happen.