add more content to MSQ roulette

[AnimaAnimus]

People like you are why I feel like there should be a 48 hour lockout from doing ANYTHING in game if you're removed for whatever reason (disconnect, kicked, leave, etc). That way the penalty for leaving or being removed for any reason is way worse than the penalty for staying. Expand it to mentor roulette in general tbh.

Cause that would not be abused by trolls at all. Nope. Never.

[Paladinleeds]

Cause that would not be abused by trolls at all. Nope. Never.

It's a case of balancing it out... it's going to be abused one way or another no matter what SE do (make it so it only applies to leaving duty, either kick someone else out to avoid the penalty or get themselves kicked, make it so it applies to being disconnected/removed from the duty by any means and you'll get trolls who use it to spite another player). But I feel that it has to be done to avoid the demands to be kicked (to avoid the penalty). In fact, I just sent a report in to the GMs over someone using the disconnect thing to bypass the forced cutscenes in The Praetorium, and found out that my ex girlfriend is apparently one to abuse that herself in main scenario roulette to get the rewards quicker. I mean, I get the cutscenes suck and all, but exploits aren't the way to go you know.

[AnimaAnimus]

It's a case of balancing it out... it's going to be abused one way or another. But I feel that it has to be done to avoid the demands to be kicked (to avoid the penalty). In fact, I just sent a report in to the GMs over someone using the disconnect thing to bypass the forced cutscenes in The Praetorium, and found out that my ex girlfriend is apparently one to abuse that herself in main scenario roulette to get the rewards quicker. I mean, I get the cutscenes suck and all, but exploits aren't the way to go you know.

You asked for a blanketed 48 hour lock out for anyone vote kicked, who leaves early or who disconnects. Since internet drops sometimes and you dc it would be foolish to punish your paying customers for something like that. And ppl would get their jollies by queueing for a duty and vote kicking randoms just to give them a 48 hour lockout to everything that game has to offer. That would cause a huge rift and get to the point of ppl just bailing on the game or party finder, cause they would have a hard time getting anything done. There is no balancing that out.

If someone queues for a duty and get the 1 out of 30 they would rather not do, let them leave and eat 30 minutes. It's entirely their prerogative and should make no difference to you at all. I would rather let someone who doesn't want to be there leave than force them into running something they don't want to and putting 0 effort into it.

[Paladinleeds]

You asked for a blanketed 48 hour lock out for anyone vote kicked, who leaves early or who disconnects. Since internet drops sometimes and you dc it would be foolish to punish your paying customers for something like that. And ppl would get their jollies by queueing for a duty and vote kicking randoms just to give them a 48 hour lockout to everything that game has to offer. That would cause a huge rift and get to the point of ppl just bailing on the game or party finder, cause they would have a hard time getting anything done. There is no balancing that out.

If someone queues for a duty and get the 1 out of 30 they would rather not do, let them leave and eat 30 minutes. It's entirely their prerogative and should make no difference to you at all. I would rather let someone who doesn't want to be there leave than force them into running something they don't want to and putting 0 effect into it.

Well... perhaps that could be handled differently, but it should be at the very least the length of the longest duty in the game (is it 2 hours, so perhaps 2 hours?). The idea is, the penalty should be higher (since you agreed to get any duty in the list) for leaving than it is for staying. While 48 hours is indeed a very harsh penalty, you agreed to the roll of the dice including getting a duty you might not want. And since that to me is something you agree to, the punishment for leaving should not be lesser than for staying.

That's not the penalty for withdraw, though, so what you feel in this regard is tangential.

I'll just keep withdrawing as long as the penalty for staying is greater than the penalty for leaving. Square isn't stupid enough to discourage use of this roulette further.

And you're well within your rights to, just like I am well within my rights to campaign for a harsher penalty for it.

[AnimaAnimus]

you agreed to the roll of the dice including getting a duty you might not want.

This is true. And that is why they have a penalty in the first place. But 30 minutes is plenty, esp as a dps who already usually has a 30+ minute wait time. But if a dungeon or fight is so irritating to you not only will you eat the penalty but also the time you will spend in queue again. Then that's completely up to you. Like I said, you shouldn't be forced into playing the 1 dungeon out of 30 you would rather not do. That is not good for the person or for the people they are running it with.

Would you want to force someone to stay somewhere they didn't want to be and put zero effort into it when you could bring someone who wanted to be there? You remember how horrible it was in school when your teacher really really didn't want to do something but was forced to do it anyway just for you?

If you don't want to be there, you shouldn't have to be. This isn't a real life job, this is set up to help new people. And if there is a duty you hate, you shouldn't have to be forced to do it, just because a sprout is there. That's not the recipe for a good experience for anyone, especially the sprout.

[Paladinleeds]

This is true. And that is why they have a penalty in the first place. But 30 minutes is plenty, esp as a dps who already usually has a 30+ minute wait time. But if a dungeon or fight is so irritating to you not only will you eat the penalty but also the time you will spend in queue again. Then that's completely up to you. Like I said, you shouldn't be forced into playing the 1 dungeon out of 30 you would rather not do. That is not good for the person or for the people they are running it with.

Would you want to force someone to stay somewhere they didn't want to be and put zero effort into it when you could bring someone who wanted to be there? You remember how horrible it was in school when your teacher really really didn't want to do something but was forced to do it anyway just for you?

If you don't want to be there, you shouldn't have to be. This isn't a real life job, this is set up to help new people. And if there is a duty you hate, you shouldn't have to be forced to do it, just because a sprout is there. That's not the recipe for a good experience for anyone, especially the sprout.

While I agree that yes you shouldn't be forced to do something you don't want to do, if you aren't willing to roll with the punches of what you get, you shouldn't be queueing in the first place IMO. I didn't exactly want to get The Praetorium in the Main Scenario Roulette I queued for (to help queue times for my friends who were DPS who wanted to do it), I just accepted it and carried on and tried to make the best of it. I get it, we all have duties we don't like. But if we queue for the roulette, we accept the risk of getting them. Like there's certain levelling duties I get where I'm like "oh FFS why THIS!?" but I just accept it and carry on. And I usually play tanks/healers so much lesser queue times. Which is why I think the punishment needs to be made harsher (perhaps it could be adjusted a little dependent on how long you spent in the queue? Thus meaning the 30+ min a DPS spends in queue, is somewhat offset by a reduction in the penalty?)

[AnimaAnimus]

While I agree that yes you shouldn't be forced to do something you don't want to do, if you aren't willing to roll with the punches of what you get, you shouldn't be queueing in the first place IMO. I didn't exactly want to get The Praetorium in the Main Scenario Roulette I queued for (to help queue times for my friends who were DPS who wanted to do it), I just accepted it and carried on and tried to make the best of it. I get it, we all have duties we don't like. But if we queue for the roulette, we accept the risk of getting them. Like there's certain levelling duties I get where I'm like "oh FFS why THIS!?" but I just accept it and carry on. And I usually play tanks/healers so much lesser queue times. Which is why I think the punishment needs to be made harsher (perhaps it could be adjusted a little dependent on how long you spent in the queue? Thus meaning the 30+ min a DPS spends in queue, is somewhat offset by a reduction in the penalty?)

We are not talking MSR we are talking Mentor Roulette, where there is a whole lot more than a 50/50 shot of getting something you don't want to do. It's more like a 1 in a 100. And again if you get multiple ppl there that don't want to be...

That's not the recipe for a good experience for anyone, especially the sprout.

[Callinon]

People like you are why I feel like there should be a 48 hour lockout from doing ANYTHING in game if you're removed for whatever reason (disconnect, kicked, leave, etc). That way the penalty for leaving or being removed for any reason is way worse than the penalty for staying. Expand it to mentor roulette in general tbh.

Congratulations! That is the single worst idea I've ever heard for this game. Well done!

If someone queues for a duty and get the 1 out of 30 they would rather not do, let them leave and eat 30 minutes. It's entirely their prerogative and should make no difference to you at all. I would rather let someone who doesn't want to be there leave than force them into running something they don't want to and putting 0 effort into it.

Er... it WOULD make no difference to me except when it's a tank or healer that does it in a 4-man dungeon and you get no backfill. A dps player sits through a half hour or more queue sometimes just to get IN to the dungeon in the first place, and then that happens? It's not great.

[Paladinleeds]

Congratulations! That is the single worst idea I've ever heard for this game. Well done!

I don't care if it's the worst idea you've ever heard for anything ever, not just this game. I've already stated my intentions behind the idea (make the penalty for leaving greater than the penalty for staying, even during Castrum/Prae, because when you sign up for a roulette you agree to any dungeon you get for it). Notice as well how I'm amenable to the adjustment of the length of time, and potentially even just how much is blocked from you, just to make sure the penalty for leaving is still greater than for staying.