Just had a guy report me because of 2 questions

[aeoncs]

Not saying you needed to carry him though, just kick or leave instead of harassing him. Yes it is harassment even though you said you were "asking" him if he knew his abilities, it can be interpreted as "Do you even know how to play?"

And that right there is the problem; that people with a mindset like yours get to be GMs. If someone wants to interpret even the most harmless question and/or statement as harassment, they obviously have every right to do so - what shouldn't happen though, is for said someone to be put in a position of power where they have to objectively assess the behaviour of other, random people.

If things really happened like OP said they did, then it's pretty clear to most of us who was actually harassing someone. Maybe, just maybe, if someone doesn't want to communicate and doesn't care about their performance and how it affects others because "muh story", they should stick to watching cutscenes on YouTube.

Also, what exactly does kicking them accomplish? They'll just be a burden to the next group a few minutes later, especially if they're a tank.

They told everyone clearly they were just in it for the story and don't care for being a top-tier player. That was an excellent moment to accept that, drop it and leave them be.

That's not the point. It was new content for OP as well and they simply wanted to make life as easy as possible for the healers/the group as a whole and decided to communicate accordingly. That's the kind of behaviour you want to see from a sprout, it doesn't have anything to do with enforcing optimal play or wanting someone else to be a top-tier player.

[CorbinDallas]

Welcome to FF14, where the playerbase is so coddled that you can't even breathe without offending someone and being reported for it.

[Emmanellain]

EDIT: When i first heard on how some people were super sensitive in this game, i thought it was just a meme, a joke, or just a myth. It turns out these people do exist. It saddens me deeply that i was trying to help this person actually be better, only to get hit by their passive-aggressiveness and claims that i'm harassing them!

I got a report for pointing out that Omega probably wasn't trans but clearly changed between sexes, and well, the fact that it was an android.
Luckily didn't get a ban, but it goes to say that people ARE sensitive nowadays and the new ToS doesn't help the ones that actually get reported due to petty reasons.

Luckily neither of us got banned, so I still have faith in the GMs, but yeah.

[Tonytonez]

Im a sprout tank and make sprout mistakes. Some people are helpful with advice while others will do the "OmG OmG!! I dont mean to be a dick but its not rocket science." I apologize for my noobery and I blacklist that guy, problem solved.

[Souljacker]

It sounds like a little more happened than just '2 questions', but you unfortunately did end up in a dungeon with someone who was really just here for the story. Unless it was savage level content, I can't say that I really blame him all that much for getting irritated. When you go into the duty finder you roll the dice and can get all kinds of different people. From his point of view, he probably thought you were singling him out. It doesn't help that we don't get to have private conversations in dungeons (a massively, MASSIVELY bad design decision on the part of the devs). If we could have private conversations, things like this would be an issue less often because we wouldn't have to put everything in party or alliance chat.

It's hard to know whether or not you really were as polite as you're portraying here, since you did feel the need to come here and complain to begin with, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes when you offer unsolicited advice you run afoul of the ToS. Stick to helping people who ask for it.

The rest?

Well, you have an option to eject folks from a duty and SE has upheld time and again that 'differing playstyles' is a valid reason.

[Insertcoins]

You won’t get in trouble. You did nothing wrong. That is sad though. I’m guessing they jump potioned

OOOR OOOOOOOOOOOR He was just a bad player to begin with. Seriously, it's like everyone forgot that we had bad players before jump pots. Jump pots ARE NOT the reason for this. - headdesk-

[SleepyNeko]

And that right there is the problem; that people with a mindset like yours get to be GMs. If someone wants to interpret even the most harmless question and/or statement as harassment, they obviously have every right to do so - what shouldn\\'t happen though, is for said someone to be put in a position of power where they have to objectively assess the behaviour of other, random people.

If things really happened like OP said they did, then it\\'s pretty clear to most of us who was actually harassing someone. Maybe, just maybe, if someone doesn\\'t want to communicate and doesn\\'t care about their performance and how it affects others because "muh story", they should stick to watching cutscenes on YouTube.

Also, what exactly does kicking them accomplish? They\\'ll just be a burden to the next group a few minutes later, especially if they\\'re a tank.





That\\'s not the point. It was new content for OP as well and they simply wanted to make life as easy as possible for the healers/the group as a whole and decided to communicate accordingly. That\\'s the kind of behaviour you want to see from a sprout, it doesn\\'t have anything to do with enforcing optimal play or wanting someone else to be a top-tier player.

Thanks for saying my mindset is a problem, I think that is already reportable in these forums but I will keep to the point of this thread.

The OT has the right to report someone for harassment when they are publicly shamed in the party when they have asked not to be harassed, my main point is that we are all free to do any of the actions stated in this thread.

The OT can report, but its not guaranteed that the gm will take his side.
The MT can give advice when asked not to, but there is no guarantee that he wont be reported.
The MT and his friend is the active contributor here, they are the one trying to initiate.

Noone has full context of the conversation other than the OPs one sided story, so my points are just a neutral stance regardless if what he said is true or false, even if what he is saying is 100% true, the OT can still report him for harassment because he told them to stop it.

I am not saying the gm should agree with the report but the OT has the right to report and the OP has no right to prevent the report.

[JunseiKei]

Thanks for saying my mindset is a problem, I think that is already reportable in these forums but I will keep to the point of this thread.

It's not a long as it stays civil.

The OT has the right to report someone for harassment when they are publicly shamed in the party when they have asked not to be harassed, my main point is that we are all free to do any of the actions stated in this thread.

They have the right to use a system, but that doesn't mean they are using it correctly. From the dialogue given, there was no public shaming. No games were given on the forums to warrant "naming and shaming." There is no ToS infraction for asking someone to make use of their toolkit. It's actually a violation to create false reports.

The OT can report, but its not guaranteed that the gm will take his side.

If there is no infraction, the report gets ignored.

The MT can give advice when asked not to, but there is no guarantee that he wont be reported.
The MT and his friend is the active contributor here, they are the one trying to initiate.

Giving advise is not a reportable offense as long as it's civil.

Noone has full context of the conversation other than the OPs one sided story, so my points are just a neutral stance regardless if what he said is true or false, even if what he is saying is 100% true, the OT can still report him for harassment because he told them to stop it.

Correct, as no one can physically stop OT from falsely reporting other players because they said something they didn't like, even if it was advise on how to use their class.

I am not saying the gm should agree with the report but the OT has the right to report and the OP has no right to prevent the report.

Again, no one can stop the OT from reporting, but abuse of the report function is an actual infraction and violation of the ToS. This is a team game that requires co-operation; some people prefer to actually talk to and help their follow players instead of simply kicking them for 'difference of playstyle,' but given the response, it seems they should have just kicked and moved on.

[MrKusakabe]

Well a big part of what I said was that my experience with GMs is that they side with whoever gets offended enough to file a report. I'd say my experience aligns pretty closely with yours.

I can just agree with you as well. To add a little bit is that the first one who reports is usually the one that gets the upper hand. Just look at two siblings fighting while the mother is in another room.

Billy randomly says: "Moooom! Tom did (something!)" and the Tom immediately says: "No, I did not!". Mom will most likely yell back "Stop it Tom! Leave Billy alone!".

On the Guild Wars 2 forums, this was a common thing. My first infraction was unjustified, but since it has been removed, everyone was like "oooh! He posted something so bad that it got removed!". No, he just reported me for his feelings hurt. (This user's name is Fluffball by the way, married with children. Go figure getting whiny about a cynical comment of mine). I reported him back and got my post re-instated, but the thread locked. The psychologal reasoning behind such behaviour is strange to me but it happens literally everywhere where there is a tight corsett of "We are all niceeeee!" rules are enforced instead of having more room for freedom.

Two or three days ago I was in a very funny Castrum-Ultra-Long-Cutscene run and there was a naked, green-skinned Roe. Me and him joked and smalltalked and there was great banter until I figured out the others might report us - it was absolutely harmless or very abstract. But still I was a bit terrified about snowflakes might get hurt...

My best record so far: I've been banned for 3 days from the Guild Wars 2 forum because I told their former community representant that stories about her musical taste, about her cats and all that lofftopic nonsense do not belong in the game's devtracker (as everything Gaile Gray posted ended up there). Not because I flamed, not because I broke the rules. No, I offended the feelings of a so-called mature person and her derailing smalltalk. I offended her by not caring about her cats or that she likes "violine music". That's when I quitted GW2 and came here.

And this attitude spreads all over the internet. It's a feelgood-place, a help hotline for all the mentally ill instead of a healthy place where things are getting done!

The reports I filed apparently went nowhere here. I think reporting is not worth anything and I should move on after incidents like this. It was worth nothing in LoL either.

In short: GMs should infract far less for words and more for actual actions and read the full context instead of going "You should have kept quiet and report instead of raising your voice.

Sincerely,