Just had a guy report me because of 2 questions

[Final-Fantasy]

I would have just left after the first reply, without saying anything more.

[Nyvara]

If he was a true sprout he Probably spent 15 minutes trying to figure out how to report someone then gave up frustrated.

[Reinfeld]

It is not even remotely true, what Reinfeld said. I received a three day ban from an instance in Rabanastre of telling a cocky black mage that his corpse was doing 0 damage. He kept intentionally standing in circles, dying, then saying "Lol, worth it". I responded "Your corpse is doing 0 damage, so it wasn't worth it."

Three day ban. No warnings, no nothing.

The policy in this game is hurt feelings are banworthy, despite the fact that individual was effectively harassing the healers.

Well a big part of what I said was that my experience with GMs is that they side with whoever gets offended enough to file a report. I'd say my experience aligns pretty closely with yours.

I got a warning for talking back to 4 or 5 people in a WoD run who spent 40+ minutes haranguing me after causing a single wipe, then blaming me for every subsequent wipe that wasn't my fault. Then I don't remember if I got a warning or 24 hour suspension for calling someone a dumb n-word in the heat of the moment. The latter one I more or less deserved, but I didn't say anything particularly aggregious in that WoD run. It's just that the squeaky wheel gets the GM grease.

[MrKusakabe]

Well a big part of what I said was that my experience with GMs is that they side with whoever gets offended enough to file a report. I'd say my experience aligns pretty closely with yours.

I can just agree with you as well. To add a little bit is that the first one who reports is usually the one that gets the upper hand. Just look at two siblings fighting while the mother is in another room.

Billy randomly says: "Moooom! Tom did (something!)" and the Tom immediately says: "No, I did not!". Mom will most likely yell back "Stop it Tom! Leave Billy alone!".

On the Guild Wars 2 forums, this was a common thing. My first infraction was unjustified, but since it has been removed, everyone was like "oooh! He posted something so bad that it got removed!". No, he just reported me for his feelings hurt. (This user's name is Fluffball by the way, married with children. Go figure getting whiny about a cynical comment of mine). I reported him back and got my post re-instated, but the thread locked. The psychologal reasoning behind such behaviour is strange to me but it happens literally everywhere where there is a tight corsett of "We are all niceeeee!" rules are enforced instead of having more room for freedom.

Two or three days ago I was in a very funny Castrum-Ultra-Long-Cutscene run and there was a naked, green-skinned Roe. Me and him joked and smalltalked and there was great banter until I figured out the others might report us - it was absolutely harmless or very abstract. But still I was a bit terrified about snowflakes might get hurt...

My best record so far: I've been banned for 3 days from the Guild Wars 2 forum because I told their former community representant that stories about her musical taste, about her cats and all that lofftopic nonsense do not belong in the game's devtracker (as everything Gaile Gray posted ended up there). Not because I flamed, not because I broke the rules. No, I offended the feelings of a so-called mature person and her derailing smalltalk. I offended her by not caring about her cats or that she likes "violine music". That's when I quitted GW2 and came here.

And this attitude spreads all over the internet. It's a feelgood-place, a help hotline for all the mentally ill instead of a healthy place where things are getting done!

The reports I filed apparently went nowhere here. I think reporting is not worth anything and I should move on after incidents like this. It was worth nothing in LoL either.

In short: GMs should infract far less for words and more for actual actions and read the full context instead of going "You should have kept quiet and report instead of raising your voice.

Sincerely,

[SleepyNeko]

If someone tells you to leave them alone then you should leave them alone. If you don't like them in the group either kick them or leave yourself. As a sprout doing a raid for the first time you usually don't have time to worry about others and there is no need to enforce your playstyle on them.

Is it nice if they can tank swap if you made too many mistakes? Yes, but there is no need to.
Is it nice if they can cover you for a TB? Again yes but also you can clear the content without it.

You said that you are a sprout and he is also a sprout, but he isn't the one that is asking you to do all these things. You might be a better sprout than he is but that doesn't mean he has to be at your level.

You should've just backed off after he said he doesn't want to engage to talk with you, especially since you are ganging up on him with numbers.

Not saying you needed to carry him though, just kick or leave instead of harassing him. Yes it is harassment even though you said you were "asking" him if he knew his abilities, it can be interpreted as "Do you even know how to play?"

[NebulaStarsong]

If someone tells you to leave them alone then you should leave them alone. If you don't like them in the group either kick them or leave yourself. As a sprout doing a raid for the first time you usually don't have time to worry about others and there is no need to enforce your playstyle on them.

Is it nice if they can tank swap if you made too many mistakes? Yes, but there is no need to.
Is it nice if they can cover you for a TB? Again yes but also you can clear the content without it.

You said that you are a sprout and he is also a sprout, but he isn't the one that is asking you to do all these things. You might be a better sprout than he is but that doesn't mean he has to be at your level.

You should've just backed off after he said he doesn't want to engage to talk with you, especially since you are ganging up on him with numbers.

Not saying you needed to carry him though, just kick or leave instead of harassing him. Yes it is harassment even though you said you were "asking" him if he knew his abilities, it can be interpreted as "Do you even know how to play?"

As a healer, you need to ask questions and be able to adjust, so communicating with the tank is very valuable.
If the tank is new, you need to adjust to them and ensure that they live through, because you're the groups Mender,
what do you mean? If the tank don't even know how to play the dungeon, how is this something bad to do at all? This is ridiculous.

[SleepyNeko]

As a healer, you need to ask questions and be able to adjust, so communicating with the tank is very valuable.
If the tank is new, you need to adjust to them and ensure that they live through, because you're the groups Mender,
what do you mean? If the tank don't even know how to play the dungeon, how is this something bad to do at all? This is ridiculous.

Nothing wrong with asking questions and having a dialogue, however the tank doesn't want a dialogue so you either leave or kick or put up with it. Harassing the dude doesn't help anything.

[aeoncs]

Not saying you needed to carry him though, just kick or leave instead of harassing him. Yes it is harassment even though you said you were "asking" him if he knew his abilities, it can be interpreted as "Do you even know how to play?"

And that right there is the problem; that people with a mindset like yours get to be GMs. If someone wants to interpret even the most harmless question and/or statement as harassment, they obviously have every right to do so - what shouldn't happen though, is for said someone to be put in a position of power where they have to objectively assess the behaviour of other, random people.

If things really happened like OP said they did, then it's pretty clear to most of us who was actually harassing someone. Maybe, just maybe, if someone doesn't want to communicate and doesn't care about their performance and how it affects others because "muh story", they should stick to watching cutscenes on YouTube.

Also, what exactly does kicking them accomplish? They'll just be a burden to the next group a few minutes later, especially if they're a tank.

They told everyone clearly they were just in it for the story and don't care for being a top-tier player. That was an excellent moment to accept that, drop it and leave them be.

That's not the point. It was new content for OP as well and they simply wanted to make life as easy as possible for the healers/the group as a whole and decided to communicate accordingly. That's the kind of behaviour you want to see from a sprout, it doesn't have anything to do with enforcing optimal play or wanting someone else to be a top-tier player.

[SleepyNeko]

And that right there is the problem; that people with a mindset like yours get to be GMs. If someone wants to interpret even the most harmless question and/or statement as harassment, they obviously have every right to do so - what shouldn\\'t happen though, is for said someone to be put in a position of power where they have to objectively assess the behaviour of other, random people.

If things really happened like OP said they did, then it\\'s pretty clear to most of us who was actually harassing someone. Maybe, just maybe, if someone doesn\\'t want to communicate and doesn\\'t care about their performance and how it affects others because "muh story", they should stick to watching cutscenes on YouTube.

Also, what exactly does kicking them accomplish? They\\'ll just be a burden to the next group a few minutes later, especially if they\\'re a tank.





That\\'s not the point. It was new content for OP as well and they simply wanted to make life as easy as possible for the healers/the group as a whole and decided to communicate accordingly. That\\'s the kind of behaviour you want to see from a sprout, it doesn\\'t have anything to do with enforcing optimal play or wanting someone else to be a top-tier player.

Thanks for saying my mindset is a problem, I think that is already reportable in these forums but I will keep to the point of this thread.

The OT has the right to report someone for harassment when they are publicly shamed in the party when they have asked not to be harassed, my main point is that we are all free to do any of the actions stated in this thread.

The OT can report, but its not guaranteed that the gm will take his side.
The MT can give advice when asked not to, but there is no guarantee that he wont be reported.
The MT and his friend is the active contributor here, they are the one trying to initiate.

Noone has full context of the conversation other than the OPs one sided story, so my points are just a neutral stance regardless if what he said is true or false, even if what he is saying is 100% true, the OT can still report him for harassment because he told them to stop it.

I am not saying the gm should agree with the report but the OT has the right to report and the OP has no right to prevent the report.

[JunseiKei]

Thanks for saying my mindset is a problem, I think that is already reportable in these forums but I will keep to the point of this thread.

It's not a long as it stays civil.

The OT has the right to report someone for harassment when they are publicly shamed in the party when they have asked not to be harassed, my main point is that we are all free to do any of the actions stated in this thread.

They have the right to use a system, but that doesn't mean they are using it correctly. From the dialogue given, there was no public shaming. No games were given on the forums to warrant "naming and shaming." There is no ToS infraction for asking someone to make use of their toolkit. It's actually a violation to create false reports.

The OT can report, but its not guaranteed that the gm will take his side.

If there is no infraction, the report gets ignored.

The MT can give advice when asked not to, but there is no guarantee that he wont be reported.
The MT and his friend is the active contributor here, they are the one trying to initiate.

Giving advise is not a reportable offense as long as it's civil.

Noone has full context of the conversation other than the OPs one sided story, so my points are just a neutral stance regardless if what he said is true or false, even if what he is saying is 100% true, the OT can still report him for harassment because he told them to stop it.

Correct, as no one can physically stop OT from falsely reporting other players because they said something they didn't like, even if it was advise on how to use their class.

I am not saying the gm should agree with the report but the OT has the right to report and the OP has no right to prevent the report.

Again, no one can stop the OT from reporting, but abuse of the report function is an actual infraction and violation of the ToS. This is a team game that requires co-operation; some people prefer to actually talk to and help their follow players instead of simply kicking them for 'difference of playstyle,' but given the response, it seems they should have just kicked and moved on.