New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[Aurelius2625]

It's really a bizarre phenomenon that people purchase a game... but then do NOT want to PLAY that game. Like, can you imagine this in any other era of gaming? People were forced to go through the game from the beginning each time they began a save file. The juicy good parts were spaced throughout the game, to give you rewards and encouragement to keep playing, in a gameplay loop. You can't have every moment of a game be as good as Aerith dying in FF7, or fighting Kefka, or any other huge moment in a game. A LOT of games have a grind in them, people don't ask to skip all of that.

What about in Super Smash Ultimate? There's no "Bypass all unlocks and get everything" button. You have to progress through the game and get the unlocks.

[SerLuke]

These people that skip all the MSQ are the same people that complain there isn’t enough content in the game and complain that it’s too easy and complain there aren’t enough other people at their skill level to play with, some people you just can’t please.

[Skivvy]

These people that skip all the MSQ are the same people that complain there isn’t enough content in the game and complain that it’s too easy and complain there aren’t enough other people at their skill level to play with, some people you just can’t please.

People who want forced MSQ aren't good enough to actually play the combat content in this game so that's why they place such an importance on the MSQ.

Hey look! I can make up crazy assumptions too!

[JohnSpawnVFX]

People who want forced MSQ aren't good enough to actually play the combat content in this game so that's why they place such an importance on the MSQ.

Hey look! I can make up crazy assumptions too!

People who seem to place such an importance on the endgame end up being the ones who complain that it's too little and too easy, compared to other games.

One has to wonder why such a rush, given that.

[Shougun]

I think the thread hit its last legs since now it's been many pages about people not caring to see another person's own value system in the game. I understand some concerns like "don't change how the story is delivered to me, I love it that way" (fair enough man, that changes the game for you) but there is a lot of "I play the game this way and I don't care you play it another way even if it wont affect me, suck it up cry baby".

Maybe we'd get more out of a new thread focused on a particular solution or even a different title may help lol (I imagine some people are like "What the new player experience was AWESOME for me, how could you say that like that?" and so they are here to defend that in part at least).

It's really a bizarre phenomenon that people purchase a game... but then do NOT want to PLAY that game.

Though that's a huge simplification of many (perhaps not all) of the possible people seeking value from a possible solution. I know some people who just craft, so how dare they only play like 5% of the game's content right?

MSQ is obviously more content than crafting but I would argue doesn't make up the majority of your time if you keep playing regularly after you finish the story (if you stop then obviously it does lol). Also it is very fair, imo, to say some stories interest people and others don't (a minor example would be I may love the story with Raubahn but I wanted to throw Minfilla off a cliff lol).

Like how a silly amount of my time in Warcraft 3 was custom games (hardly played the original past the first MSQ), or WoW was mostly PvP for me. Just saying that MSQ does not equal a whole game, even if it can be (and probably is for a lot of people) an impressively large part of it.

These people that skip all the MSQ are the same people that complain there isn’t enough content in the game and complain that it’s too easy and complain there aren’t enough other people at their skill level to play with, some people you just can’t please.

That's also a huge simplification/generalization. It's like you get one rude person in a dungeon and now the entire gaming community must be worse than a chocobo smells. The people who complain could be the ones who skipped yeah, but that doesn't have to be true - the people complaining could also be MSQ devourers that ran out of MSQ and now think the game has no valuable content anymore.

[SerLuke]

I think the thread hit its last legs since now it's been many pages about people not caring to see another person's own value system in the game. .

TBH this thread had run its course before it was even made, Yoshi P already said at Fanfest they were making a lot of the lvl 50 ARR MSQ fetch quests into side quests, either people aren't reading that or are they being totally unreasonable and demand a Final Fantasy game stop being a Final Fantasy game and de-emphasize the story

[Shougun]

TBH this thread had run its course before it was even made, Yoshi P already said at Fanfest they were making a lot of the lvl 50 ARR MSQ fetch quests into side quests, either people aren't reading that or are they being totally unreasonable and demand a Final Fantasy game stop being a Final Fantasy game and de-emphasize the story

I really disagree mate, even if they cut out 25% there is still a HUGE mountain that remains that grows larger at each expansion. As we move from an expansion to expansion it's still easy to put it into the "multiple games" of game time to get to content people may have wanted territory. I do think what they're doing will increase the quality experience for those who did want to do the MSQ from the very beginning though, so that's good!

[SerLuke]

I really disagree mate, even if they cut out 25% there is still a HUGE mountain that remains that grows larger at each expansion. As we move from an expansion to expansion it's still easy to put it into the "multiple games" of game time to get to content people may have wanted territory. I do think what they're doing will increase the quality experience for those who did want to do the MSQ though, so that's good!

As it should remain, this is a Final Fantasy game, not World of Warcraft.

[SerLuke]

People who want forced MSQ aren't good enough to actually play the combat content in this game so that's why they place such an importance on the MSQ.

Hey look! I can make up crazy assumptions too!

Uh... the MSQ has combat content, quite a lot of it.

[Crystal_Raven]

Uh... the MSQ has combat content, quite a lot of it.

The MSQ "combat" content is a joke and you can pretty much sleep through all of it and still complete it with flying colors.