is there a point to using Royal authority in your pally rotation?

[Kalise]

Enmity doesn't matter.

If you are 1 point of Enmity above everyone else, it's the same as if you are 1,000,000 points of enmity above everyone else.

So long as you are ahead of everyone else, you don't need any more.

Thus, Rage of Halone shouldn't be spammed, since it deals the least damage of all the combo's available to PLD and it's only purpose is providing extra enmity.

As far as the damage of the combo's go:

Fast Blade (160) > Savage Blade (210) > Rage of Halone (270) = 640 potency.

Fast Blade (160) > Riot Blade (240) > Royal Authority (360) = 760 potency.

Fast Blade (160) > Riot Blade (240) > Goring Blade (670) = 1070 potency.

There is a stark difference in potency of using Rage of Halone vs Royal Authority and Goring Blade. Royal Authority is essentially giving an extra attack worth of damage over Halone.

This isn't to mention that after reaching level 64 you gain access to Holy Spirit that has potency of 380 but costs MP to cast, which Riot Blade generates for you. Meaning that a Royal Authority combo provides MP regen while a Rage of Halone combo does not. With MP regen being very significant after level 64 (Even more notably after level 68 when you get Requiescat as a CD to play around, where you want to be capped on MP when it becomes available so to spam Holy Spirits for the duration of its buff)

However, if you're struggling for getting and keeping aggro, then yes, use Rage of Halone combo to help generate the enmity you need. However, do keep in mind that you want to ideally use Rage of Halone as little as possible.

[Kabooa]

Enmity doesn't matter.

If you are 1 point of Enmity above everyone else, it's the same as if you are 1,000,000 points of enmity above everyone else.

If you're 1 point of enmity above everyone else, it isn't you taking the tank buster.

[Izsha]

If you're 1 point of enmity above everyone else, it isn't you taking the tank buster.

Actually yes you are.

Enmity is just a binary effect. Pass fail. Monster targets the person with the highest enmity. The end. If that is you, even by a single point then the boss will choose you.

If a dps has 100 enmity, a healer has 130 enmity, and you the tank have 150 enmity, you win. You dont win 'harder' by having 500 enmity or 1000 enmity. The monster will attack you under any condition where your enmity is above the rest of the party.

Once you have a nice cushion of enmity you should deal damage as more enmity has zero effect. The monster is already hitting you. You won the enmity game. Now you need to win the actual fight by killing it.

[Kabooa]

Actually yes you are.

Enmity is just a binary effect. Pass fail. Monster targets the person with the highest enmity. The end. If that is you, even by a single point then the boss will choose you.

If a dps has 100 enmity, a healer has 130 enmity, and you the tank have 150 enmity, you win. You dont win 'harder' by having 500 enmity or 1000 enmity. The monster will attack you under any condition where your enmity is above the rest of the party.

Once you have a nice cushion of enmity you should deal damage as more enmity has zero effect. The monster is already hitting you. You won the enmity game. Now you need to win the actual fight by killing it.

Okay.

Sure.

But if your threat lead is literally 1, you're losing aggro the next moment.

If your threat lead is 50k, you're losing it in 10.

I've only got so many cooldowns to bust through to lower or prevent that. If your threat lead is literally just the "A" with no bar length to back it up, you're throttling people.

[Kalise]

But if your threat lead is literally 1, you're losing aggro the next moment.

Unless your Enmity generation is equal to or higher than everyone else.

If the scenario that you're thinking of is "Get above everyone else, then go AFK and make a coffee", then yes. You will lose aggro immediately.

If, you apply common sense and think about things, then you know that, you only need to maintain 1 point of enmity above everyone else because that's how a binary system works. Either you're being attacked because you're top of the list or you're not because you're not.

In reality, you'll have a larger lead than 1 enmity point. Due to initial pull enmity generation and/or circle-shirking. But that doesn't mean you need to build up 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 enmity over everyone in your party.

Since that's just redundant and thus a waste of resources (GCD's) that could have been spent on something more relevant, like damage.

[Kabooa]

Unless your Enmity generation is equal to or higher than everyone else.

If the scenario that you're thinking of is "Get above everyone else, then go AFK and make a coffee", then yes. You will lose aggro immediately.

If, you apply common sense and think about things, then you know that, you only need to maintain 1 point of enmity above everyone else because that's how a binary system works. Either you're being attacked because you're top of the list or you're not because you're not.

In reality, you'll have a larger lead than 1 enmity point. Due to initial pull enmity generation and/or circle-shirking. But that doesn't mean you need to build up 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 enmity over everyone in your party.

Since that's just redundant and thus a waste of resources (GCD's) that could have been spent on something more relevant, like damage.

Yes, but how large is a factor. If we go by the assumption this guy doesn't know what he's doing, Vin Diesel's statement on winning modified to fit threat is more harmful than helpful.

In reality you want a healthy threat lead. You don't want just enough. You want as much as you can get where a circle shirk will last you the two minutes of Diversion's recharge.

Given the current numbers people are putting out, you want a threat lead coming out of the opener probably in the range of 300,000.

[whiskeybravo]

Yes, but how large is a factor. If we go by the assumption this guy doesn't know what he's doing, Vin Diesel's statement on winning modified to fit threat is more harmful than helpful.

In reality you want a healthy threat lead. You don't want just enough. You want as much as you can get where a circle shirk will last you the two minutes of Diversion's recharge.

Given the current numbers people are putting out, you want a threat lead coming out of the opener probably in the range of 300,000.

On the margins, I'd agree, it's better to have a little too much that not quite enough. I've had more than a few whiffs where I let eye fall off because I rode the line too close and had to butchers to stay on top. Or conversely I went ahead and reapplied eye only to lose the boss for a couple of GCDs lol. But obviously going beyond whatever comfy zone you'd like to keep, aggro isn't doing anything more for you.

[Misutoraru]

Yes, but how large is a factor. If we go by the assumption this guy doesn't know what he's doing, Vin Diesel's statement on winning modified to fit threat is more harmful than helpful.

In reality you want a healthy threat lead. You don't want just enough. You want as much as you can get where a circle shirk will last you the two minutes of Diversion's recharge.

Given the current numbers people are putting out, you want a threat lead coming out of the opener probably in the range of 300,000.

I have met quite a few DPS obsessed tank that I have to stop casting/attacking to let tank get into more safe spot of aggro, so I always make sure I am about 10-15% more aggro than anyone in my party but not more, there are always chance I have to dodge AOE while range or caster still dashing out dmg.

[Reinfeld]

Enmity doesn't matter.

If you are 1 point of Enmity above everyone else, it's the same as if you are 1,000,000 points of enmity above everyone else.

That's not entirely accurate because you need at least some buffer between you and the next line. On something like PLD whose damage combo doesn't have any enmity bonus, it's possible for DPS to generate enmity faster than Royal Authority.

[Izsha]

That's not entirely accurate because you need at least some buffer between you and the next line. On something like PLD whose damage combo doesn't have any enmity bonus, it's possible for DPS to generate enmity faster than Royal Authority.

No ones damage combo has any enmity bonus. But pld does have scorn and swipe in their dps rotation which do have enmity multipliers.