will xiv's pvp ever be as robust as wow's?

[Risvertasashi]

I guess I'm just used to the WoW design where healers tend to do such piddly amounts of damage that they're forced into a supportive role

Healer damage in pvp is pretty low. Ironically I play healers in pvp because it's so healing focused, compared to pve where I feel like a green DPS and probably use 10 DPS skills for every heal I cast in low end content. Now in a theoretical 1v1 situation, the healer will win - but that's from simply outlasting a DPS player, not because healers hit like a truck.

Of course, Scholar's potential is higher in pvp. But that's kind of what makes it so bad all around, in pvp healers need survivability to get by - which SCH has sacrificed for its offensive potential.

[Derio]

I just want capture the flag and the ability to use all of my abilities in pvp. My biggest gripe with pvp is the limited move set and the lack of classic game modes.

[Alpha087]

No and I personally hope it stays that way. WoW's class balance in PvP is notoriously awful and in more recent years all of the classes lost a lot of what made them unique in PvP.

I greatly prefer FFXIV's way of keeping PvP and PvE balance totally separate.

[Akonyl]

No and I personally hope it stays that way. WoW's class balance in PvP is notoriously awful and in more recent years all of the classes lost a lot of what made them unique in PvP.

I greatly prefer FFXIV's way of keeping PvP and PvE balance totally separate.

Yeah, it always felt so bad in WoW to have some PvE aspect of your class nerfed into the ground just because it ended up impacting PvP, or vice versa. Keeping them separate requires more development, so it makes sense that PvP in this is a bit lackluster, but I'll take it over the alternative.

[Gula]

Lol I just picture Soken in the sound room like:



"I give you, Primal Music"

Late reply, but it's actually accurate.

[Makeda]

I kinda hope not...

Games that focus on PvP always mess up PvE in order to balance PvP even when the population of PvP players is dramatically lower. Like in not only WoW, but every other MMO that does it...

I'm kinda glad they tossed in a PvP here that nobody cares for... it serves to tell the PvP players to go try a different game and not mess up this one.

I have an Overwatch account in ADDITION to an FFXIV account for a reason... and over there, if I were to post, I'd post arguing against adding PvE missions - for the SAME REASONS as my post here.

[Vercinotrix]

Hopefully it won't ever be. I played WoW for many years solely doing pvp content, especially arenas. RPG-PvP doesn't work because people can't accept the basic principals of it anymore, and the sheer outrage balance culture causes can completely ruin the fabric of the game.

In the end the pvp community's outcries will get all of your skills and abilities removed from your class because people are petty and spiteful and think gutting classes they dislike brings balance and good gameplay.

[AriaFairchild]

RPG-PvP doesn't work because people can't accept the basic principals of it anymore, and the sheer outrage balance culture causes can completely ruin the fabric of the game.

Guild Wars would like a word with you. It was a PvP game with PvE tacked on top. While the PvP scene has died down due to GW2/not receiving dev's support/etc, Guild Wars's main attraction was PvP, and PvErs were expendable cash cows :P

[MomomiMomi]

But it's really not better, the simplified PvP has made atleast 10 hardcore Pvpers I know who did the feast, had feast mounts, and all the FL win mounts, quit.
The people who actually like PvP are now being told "It is now way better" by people who hardly PvP at all

I pvp more than I do anything else in the game. It's way better now, and I continue to hope they will bring the combo system to PvE.

[AxlStream]

Guild Wars would like a word with you. It was a PvP game with PvE tacked on top. While the PvP scene has died down due to GW2/not receiving dev's support/etc, Guild Wars's main attraction was PvP, and PvErs were expendable cash cows :P

Well dev support is coming back to PvP so maybe GW2 can grow into PvP again.