will xiv's pvp ever be as robust as wow's?

[Zsplash]

Short answer is never and any development spent on PVP is wasted honestly.

FFXIV's battle system is just completely unfit for PVP, majority of movement skills are also limited to on target use only which isn't interesting, GCDs are also too high of course and the community isn't really PVP focused to begin with anyways. I believe very few people actually play FFXIV for the PVP, more so just another "to do for glamour/etc." deal.

[RareItems]

Maybe if they place gear that has a comparable Ilvl to the Augmented Crafted gear that is purchasable with a weekly capped PVP Tomes, more ppl might play PVP xD.

[enthauptet]

PVP will never feel good with SE battle mechanics system / game system. Ever be next to someone while moving and you cannot attack? this is why. Until the system is radically changed it will always be mediocre. This is my main problem with it.

Also targeting, targeting is awful in 14 but again that is the battle system lol.

[KageTokage]

Slow GCDs, slow server ticks making melee almost unplayable in some situations, healers being overpowered (These are supposed be the guys in need of protection, not the ones you avoid like the plague in 1v1 situations), etc.

There are a lot of things keeping me from enjoying XIV's PvP even a fraction as much as WoW's.

[NessaWyvern]

healers being overpowered (These are supposed be the guys in need of protection, not the ones you avoid like the plague in 1v1 situations), etc.

There are a lot of things keeping me from enjoying XIV's PvP even a fraction as much as WoW's.

As a healer main in pvp, I think you missed the point of healers. It's not quite about how killable they are, it's all about juggling your own survival with the survival of your team mates. Sure, a healer can be quite unkillable (if Dps and tanks don't work together and use all of their toolkit) if they focus all their heals on themself. But this means their team mates will die from no heals, and they'll most likely lose. The feast is a good example of this.

Or let me put it this way. If a healer and a Dps are doing a 1v1 in frontlines or feast, both if them are stupid. Dps cannot take down a healer without help, and is wasting his time. A healer 1v1 a dps would win the fight, but lose the battle, as their team is dying due to their healer 1v1ing and not healing them.

[KageTokage]

As a healer main in pvp, I think you missed the point of healers. It's not quite about how killable they are, it's all about juggling your own survival with the survival of your team mates. Sure, a healer can be quite unkillable (if Dps and tanks don't work together and use all of their toolkit) if they focus all their heals on themself. But this means their team mates will die from no heals, and they'll most likely lose. The feast is a good example of this.

Or let me put it this way. If a healer and a Dps are doing a 1v1 in frontlines or feast, both if them are stupid. Dps cannot take down a healer without help, and is wasting his time. A healer 1v1 a dps would win the fight, but lose the battle, as their team is dying due to their healer 1v1ing and not healing them.

I guess I'm just used to the WoW design where healers tend to do such piddly amounts of damage that they're forced into a supportive role (There were a couple specs with more offensive presence last I played, but it was still overall much lower then in XIV) as opposed to exerting enough offensive presence to force people to back off, since they have little chance of victory in a 1v1 situation against a tank or DPS there.

It doesn't actually take them that long to kill a DPS in XIV by comparison, though calling them "overpowered" was probably just a knee-jerk response from my PTSD of my group being overwhelmed by swarms of healers at the center point in Rival Wings. It might not have been a problem if people actually knew how to focus fire them down, but...

[NessaWyvern]

It doesn't actually take them that long to kill a DPS in XIV by comparison, though calling them "overpowered" was probably just a knee-jerk response from my PTSD of my group being overwhelmed by swarms of healers at the center point in Rival Wings. It might not have been a problem if people actually knew how to focus fire them down, but...

Yeah that is a problem, people not knowing, or even caring enough to focus them down. It is my belief that if PvP was made more fun an engaging, more people would actually be interested in playing properly and actually actively learning how to win and trying to win.
Right now people are just like "Bleeeh, PvP, I hate that I HAVE to do this for *insert cosmetic item here* that I want" and don't enjoy it enough to try their hardest.

[Risvertasashi]

I guess I'm just used to the WoW design where healers tend to do such piddly amounts of damage that they're forced into a supportive role

Healer damage in pvp is pretty low. Ironically I play healers in pvp because it's so healing focused, compared to pve where I feel like a green DPS and probably use 10 DPS skills for every heal I cast in low end content. Now in a theoretical 1v1 situation, the healer will win - but that's from simply outlasting a DPS player, not because healers hit like a truck.

Of course, Scholar's potential is higher in pvp. But that's kind of what makes it so bad all around, in pvp healers need survivability to get by - which SCH has sacrificed for its offensive potential.

[Risvertasashi]

Slow GCDs, slow server ticks making melee almost unplayable in some situations, healers being overpowered (These are supposed be the guys in need of protection, not the ones you avoid like the plague in 1v1 situations), etc.

There are a lot of things keeping me from enjoying XIV's PvP even a fraction as much as WoW's.

Healers are hardly OP. Cut their survivability by even 5% further and it'd be a nonstop kill-the-healer farm. It already is for less skilled healers and scholars, even.

[Melorie]

I'm not a PvP player but wouldn't mind the game having more options for those that like it. It would also be nice to have another option for something to do even though I'm not a huge fan.
I don't get why part of FFXIV community is so hardcore against Square Enix even thinking about PVP. Stop being so selfish so our game can grow and be better and have more options for everyone else, this type of mindset only hurts the game. PvErs and even crafters/gatheres (that are optional classes) get content almost every patch. I mean even people with houses get new content every patch. PvPers getting something won't hurt your content at all.