Housing Suggestions/Fixes Timers/Supply

[Yshtola]

Don't take Yshtola seriously. I've seen him on discords, reddit and here. He boasts about his 26-28 (no one cares what the actual number is Ysh) whenever he gets a chance to.

I agree completely with your former statement that people like Yshtola is part of the problem. I've had people DM me on discord warning me about him.

He speaks of how ''the problem is the the price and that players feel entitled to houses''. The better question is why people like him feel entitled to having 28+(?) houses when we've all accepted the fact that houses are in low supply. And in-case other ''house hoarders'' read this, let me potray this as simple as I can. By owning say... 30 houses. You're indirectly making sure so that 29 other players will be unable to get a house. You've not broken any rules and you've gained these houses ''fair and square''. But you are extremely hypocritical if you walk around talking about housing issues when you're robbing people of houses for your own selfish needs.

Personally I like Shouguns proposal better than the current iteration of an invisible timer simply because it doesn't get much worse than this. In reality I think a better first step would be to actually enforce players with multiple houses to pick ONE main house before reimbursing them and demolishing the others. They implemented the rule of 1 personal house per account, but didn't remove the houses from those who already owned multiple houses.

I understand however that this might seem unfair to those who has gathered these houses fair and square over the years. But unless square enix comes up with a better solution of instancing or a complete rework. Allowing players to own up to WHO KNOWs how many houses for themselves is inexcusable.

I can keep rambling about this, but i'll stop myself here.

Following your logic, rich people aren't allowed to talk about poverty?

Thank you for your 30 houses scenario as not only is it easy to destroy, but it'll maybe even make you see clearly. You say 29 players could own these other houses. I say those 29 players would be blocking hundreds of FC members looking for a home. SE has almost decupled the total amount of houses per server since housing came out. It's funny because you started off with dismissing my point regarding pricing, but a couple words later you claim that the real issue is the low quantity (4000+ vs 450 in 2.1) of houses per server. It's like you're not even aware of the obvious correlation between the two. If you cannot understand that lowering prices by a landslide on anything remotely popular or desirable would cause players to unjustifiably feel entitled to those items, then you are a lost cause. Multi-house owners leveled their characters/FCs, acquired the gil and purchased a house. The entitlement is justified.

Also, FC houses have been considered as grandfathered for a grand total of two weeks (4.1) so hopefully you can stop sharing information that has been outdated for nearly a year and a half.

[Forsving95]

Following your logic, rich people aren't allowed to talk about poverty?

Thank you for your 30 houses scenario as not only is it easy to destroy, but it'll maybe even make you see clearly. You say 29 players could own these other houses. I say those 29 players would be blocking hundreds of FC members looking for a home. SE has almost decupled the total amount of houses per server since housing came out. It's funny because you started off with dismissing my point regarding pricing, but a couple words later you claim that the real issue is the low quantity (4000+ vs 450 in 2.1) of houses per server. It's like you're not even aware of the obvious correlation between the two. If you cannot understand that lowering prices by a landslide on anything remotely popular or desirable would cause players to unjustifiably feel entitled to those items, then you are a lost cause. Multi-house owners leveled their characters/FCs, acquired the gil and purchased a house. The entitlement is justified.

Also, FC houses have been considered as grandfathered for a grand total of two weeks (4.1) so hopefully you can stop sharing information that has been outdated for nearly a year and a half.

You're missing the point as you always seem. One person owning more than one house and one FC estate IS by definition preventing other players from owning a house. You're trying to derail my argument with non-sense. Are you trying to say FC's should gain priority over private players because an FC allows more players? I don't understand your logic, nor does anyone else considering the amount of people who argues with you.

You are a single person. You don't need more than 1 personal house. And as I've stated previously. You can talk about poverty, but you seem deluded by the fact that you are my definition preventing players from owning their own house.

[Yshtola]

You're missing the point as you always seem. One person owning more than one house and one FC estate IS by definition preventing other players from owning a house. You're trying to derail my argument with non-sense. Are you trying to say FC's should gain priority over private players because an FC allows more players? I don't understand your logic, nor does anyone else considering the amount of people who argues with you.

You are a single person. You don't need more than 1 personal house. And as I've stated previously. You can talk about poverty, but you seem deluded by the fact that you are my definition preventing players from owning their own house.

Missing the point? I've acknowledge housing issues and have been doing so for a while. You see the tree, I see the forest. Having me "prevent" 29 players from owning a house is nothing in comparison to the thousands of players letting their house become abandonned to the point where every player has to wait a month and a half for them to get a chance at acquiring it. Thousands only step through the door only when the demolition timer is about to kick in. Thousands of players who own a private house are blocking FCs that would obviously benefit more players. There are bigger concerns regarding housing than a handful of players who possess more houses than your average player.

I don't care if people cry because I'm providing facts while they bring up complaints and illogical beliefs. I leveled up all those FCs/alts, I acquired the gil, I bought the houses. You tell me I don't need more than 1 house, but really, who even are you? You're just a player and so am I. Until I have staff members contacting me regarding any of this, why would I care about what you or any other player has to say regarding what I can and cannot do?

[supergiz]

Pretty sure they are going to do a combination of fixes and forcing players with many houses to only have one house. Going to be a lot of salt on here from the very few players with multiple houses when that happens, but not like they are going to leave the game anytime soon as they have way too much invested in it. And if they do leave no big loss as they make up an extremely tiny portion of the userbase.

Either way I predict a lottery system and forcing people down to 1 personal and 1 FC house. That and probably a new district in ishgard where you must craft your house.

[Penthea]

Either way I predict a lottery system

This would cause even more salt than removing grandfathering and reducing ownership amount to one fc and one personal house. Placard spam is already lottery if you're competing with anyone for the plot. Actual lottery would have more competition because the effort for participation would be near zero. Everyone who didn't have time to placard spam would suddenly have a way to participate. Plots would take less effort to purchase, but could end up taking a much longer amount of time due to the inevitable increase in competition reducing your chances of a win. It would be insane on some servers.

We need to remove the rng aspect out of housing completely. And we also need instanced housing so that we get a completely fair system that isn't riddled with problems like house shortages, bots clicking placards, hoarders depriving other people of houses with their greed, and opportunists selling plots for downright ridiculous fees such as more than ten times the actual price of the plot which of course feeds RMT.

[Dyvid]

First thing the needs to happen is SE implement a policy for everyone, 1 house per account. FC's leaders can own one house and one apartment. Give the community 45 days to decide which house the want to keep then auto demi the rest. Too bad, so sad.

Next they need to set strict guidelines for FC owned houses. Small require 11 active players, Medium 31 active players, and Large 51 active players. If an FC can't keep that number within 60 days, auto demi.

Only after that can they look at adding private wards and FC only wards.

This would cause even more salt than removing grandfathering and reducing ownership amount to one fc and one personal house. Placard spam is already lottery if you're competing with anyone for the plot. Actual lottery would have more competition because the effort for participation would be near zero. Everyone who didn't have time to placard spam would suddenly have a way to participate. Plots would take less effort to purchase, but could end up taking a much longer amount of time due to the inevitable increase in competition reducing your chances of a win. It would be insane on some servers.

We need to remove the rng aspect out of housing completely. And we also need instanced housing so that we get a completely fair system that isn't riddled with problems like house shortages, bots clicking placards, hoarders depriving other people of houses with their greed, and opportunists selling plots for downright ridiculous fees such as more than ten times the actual price of the plot which of course feeds RMT.

Needs of the many out weigh needs of the few. Sucks but we have reached the saturation point of the current system.

[Azurith]

They aren't going to force anyone to give up a house. The idea is ridiculous. I agree there are things in the game not everyone has. Housing in an investment. So is raiding. I don't have 012s cleared because I haven't taken the time it requires. Does that mean I get to sit here and demand that they give me the Omega mount anyway because I pay for my sub like everyone else and am entitled to it? No. There are housing options for everyone (whine all you want FC rooms and Apartments are housing options). If thats not good enough for you then do what it takes to get one (Put in the time sink or switch to a server with plenty of open housing -> those exist. Stop trying to take things from other players because you're otherwise not willing to do what it takes to get what you want and they are.

[Penthea]

Housing in an investment. So is raiding. I don't have 012s cleared because I haven't taken the time it requires. Does that mean I get to sit here and demand that they give me the Omega mount anyway because I pay for my sub like everyone else and am entitled to it? No.

Someone else entering a raid instance doesn't reduce your chances of being able to enter one too. You also can't enter several raid instances at the same time. Some other raid team killing a boss doesn't affect your chances of killing a boss. Someone getting a house immediately reduces the chances of others getting one on the same server, and there are players who own several houses on the same server.

Not everyone who wants a house and complains about not having one is someone who didn't put in the work. I had enough gil to buy a medium house long before I could even try to buy any plot. By the time I could make a purchase I had enough gil for two mediums and two cottages. More than six months passed between me getting the gil for one medium and being able to attempt to buy -any- house. In raiding if you got the gear you can immediately start trying to get the kills.

Comparing housing and raiding doesn't work. You don't see people complaining about being unable to enter a raid instance, despite being geared for them, for literal months or years. As for kills, players can always eventually get them either through hard work, when content is nerfed or when there is a new expansion. There are players around since ARR who still have no house.

[Dyvid]

They aren't going to force anyone to give up a house. The idea is ridiculous. I agree there are things in the game not everyone has. Housing in an investment. So is raiding. I don't have 012s cleared because I haven't taken the time it requires. Does that mean I get to sit here and demand that they give me the Omega mount anyway because I pay for my sub like everyone else and am entitled to it? No. There are housing options for everyone (whine all you want FC rooms and Apartments are housing options). If thats not good enough for you then do what it takes to get one (Put in the time sink or switch to a server with plenty of open housing -> those exist. Stop trying to take things from other players because you're otherwise not willing to do what it takes to get what you want and they are.

Sorry but that analogy would only work if Omega Mount was offered to first 10 groups that complete it. Housing isn't an investment anymore, it's a crap shoot. Players are meeting all the requirement to purchase but due to limited supply they can't. Yea it's SE's fault for not having better rules in the beginning, but owning an ENTIRE WARD is just ridiculous even if it wasn't against ToS.

[mjorge1991]

Sorry but that analogy would only work if Omega Mount was offered to first 10 groups that complete it. Housing isn't an investment anymore, it's a crap shoot. Players are meeting all the requirement to purchase but due to limited supply they can't. Yea it's SE's fault for not having better rules in the beginning, but owning an ENTIRE WARD is just ridiculous even if it wasn't against ToS.

I second this. Housing is not the same as raiding/mounts. There is a player in my server (Gilgamesh) that created alts and long with his FC own 20 plots. He is pretty famous in the forum since i believe he just likes to brag about it. The thing is, the houses are not even used, they are just there...