Question on 3rd party application and ToS.

[Halivel]

Is the use of a 3rd party application specifically made for only pre-placing waymarks in game for a fight a bannable offense and against ToS?

Technically - yes, it is agaisnt ToS. Hovewer, I suppose that in reality it's in the same "Grey zone" as ACT: as long as you don't mention tool in the game and do not harass people - you can use it. At least that was Yoshida's position about parsers: you can use it quietly, but if people will report you because you harass them or something - then administration will look for you and probably punish.

[Enjuden]

Are you altering the game to do things you normally can't do, IE always be able to hit Ruin 4 on a boss even during phase transitions/botting? If the answer is no, don't tell anyone.

Also, what's AMS?

[Ixon]

Seems like the gist is it IS a bannable offense if caught, but not something that SE is hard-charging after(like actual hacking for unfair gain). Though it is more of a risk because of the code injection that is more detectable than a client-side parser.

[Risvertasashi]

Seems like the gist is it IS a bannable offense if caught, but not something that SE is hard-charging after(like actual hacking for unfair gain). Though it is more of a risk because of the code injection that is more detectable than a client-side parser.

Essentially, yes. Though from GM chat logs people have posted, those that out themselves using a parser first seem to get a warning. So even if caught, it's not like instant-perma-ban.

Auto placing waymarks may be a little sketchier, since that's actually sending input. Versus a parser which is only reading, or a graphics mod which is only seen clientside. I still can't imagine SE going after it specifically, but technically it's still against the rules and no one can say 100% that SE will or won't do something about it.

[Kazrah]

Are you altering the game to do things you normally can't do, IE always be able to hit Ruin 4 on a boss even during phase transitions/botting? If the answer is no, don't tell anyone.

Also, what's AMS?

It was an addon in World of Warcraft before in-game markers were ever a thing that allowed placing anything from markers to lines in the game world by injecting code into the game that other players using the addon could see, which gave way for cheesing a couple of major fights in the game that required tight movement.

Looking back on it now, I'm not sure if any players were actually banned for using it, but it was such a popular addon for raiders that upon banning it was when Blizzard introduced ground markers to the game.

[RareItems]

SE has a dedicated team who's only job is to ban ppl and they do a good job at it. They gain more money permabanning players since that player will most likely just buy the game again and purchase the MSQ/Leveling Skips.

This is not Black Desert Online where they have 1 teenager in charge of the entire NA playerbase and the most he can dish out is a courteous email telling you to not do it again and suspending you for 72 hours calling it a ban xD. That's why they have a speedhacker epidemic in that game, they have to shutdown some content since they can't figure out what to do xD.

[Aurelius2625]

I bet nearly 90 percent of people adamantly saying "It's against ToS, It's against ToS!" Use third party programs and parsers, lol. It's the kind of wink wink nudge nudge stuff that everyone does but no one talks about.

[Krojack]

devs have tools for detecting this sort of thing.

Unlike Blizzard and WoW, this game does not have these...

[Krojack]

I bet nearly 90 percent of people adamantly saying "It's against ToS, It's against ToS!" Use third party programs and parsers, lol. It's the kind of wink wink nudge nudge stuff that everyone does but no one talks about.

Someone directly asked Yoshi P once about parsers and his response was "don't ask, don't tell" In short if you're not using automated programs to play the game (bot) and you're not harassing others over numbers and using the parse data just for your own personal use then you're mostly in the clear.

[JunseiKei]

Is the use of a 3rd party application specifically made for only pre-placing waymarks in game for a fight a bannable offense and against ToS?

Falls under automation and just third party program use in general, so yes.