Question on 3rd party application and ToS.

[Ixon]

Is the use of a 3rd party application specifically made for only pre-placing waymarks in game for a fight a bannable offense and against ToS?

[DrWho2010]

you're injecting code into the game via a 3rd party tool. if you get caught it would be a violation of TOS and you would be subject to appropriate punishment.

[NosamKin]

I think the official answer is yes.
But then how would anyone know you are using it and would anyone complain?

[DrWho2010]

devs have tools for detecting this sort of thing.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

devs have tools for detecting this sort of thing.

If they have, they only use them after receiving reports from players that there's funny business going on. Both the BLM that had crazy short casting times and the Ninja that was using pomanders outside of PotD by injecting code into the game were only detected and dealt with after players made the issue known about.

Given any changes to the item and gear system are always quite limited due to increased server loads, I doubt they'd do the same by constantly running tools looking for players injecting code.

[Kazrah]

I remember a 3rd party addon called AMS that worked in a similar manner in World of Warcraft during their second expansion. It was also one of the only addons that was ever banned by Blizzard.

If Blizzard was willing to ban the use of an addon like that back then, I'm almost positive that your addon would be bannable in XIV as well.

[Risvertasashi]

Is the use of a 3rd party application specifically made for only pre-placing waymarks in game for a fight a bannable offense and against ToS?

All third party programs that interact with FFXIV are against the ToS. No matter how harmless they might seem.

Now in practice SE has kind of fight club rules going on. You won't get banned for using, for example, a parser if you never mention it in game/use it for self improvement. But even then, it's technically not allowed.

If you're curious about their detailed stance... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-WXYg-S05U&t=370

[Avatre]

All third party programs that interact with FFXIV are against the ToS. No matter how harmless they might seem.

Now in practice SE has kind of fight club rules going on. You won't get banned for using, for example, a parser if you never mention it in game/use it for self improvement. But even then, it's technically not allowed.

If you're curious about their detailed stance... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-WXYg-S05U&t=370

To sort of elaborate on the parser, it's more of a "as long as you aren't using it to exclude people from parties, have at it" type of situation...so as long as no discrimination is going on due to the use of the parser, they turn a blind eye to it. That, and as long as the people that are over-zealous with the wanting of banning parsers(usually due to bad personal experience) don't catch wind you use one, you usually are safe to use it to improve yourself/help improve others(in friendly, non-limiting, ways)

[HyoMinPark]

devs have tools for detecting this sort of thing.

If they have, they only use them after receiving reports from players that there's funny business going on. Both the BLM that had crazy short casting times and the Ninja that was using pomanders outside of PotD by injecting code into the game were only detected and dealt with after players made the issue known about.

Given any changes to the item and gear system are always quite limited due to increased server loads, I doubt they'd do the same by constantly running tools looking for players injecting code.

SE can’t detect anything that is used Client-side because the game client doesn’t come with any sort of software that monitors what a client is doing (think GameGuard and other anti-cheating/anti-hacking software). If a cheat/hack transfers to server traffic, then they can detect it (I believe that was how they were able to take down the Mogboard site, because they could actively detect it in server traffic); but purely client-side things they have no way of knowing if a person is using them or not unless the person admits it in-game.

That being said, I don’t know if the application the OP is talking about is purely client-side, or if it can be detected by the server should a GM go digging. I just know that it is, technically, against the ToS. I would honestly like an official, in-game option for easier placing of waymarks, though. Perhaps saving macros with arena coordinates to make the process a bit faster. I feel like I’m really slow with placing them, but maybe that’s because I play with a controller. My game won’t let me use my PC mouse to drop them, so I have to finagle my analog stick.

[RareItems]

Maybe in FFXI and BDO. Not in FFXIV lol.

The main reason i quit FFXI last year was because, the raiding community "highly encourages" you to use Windower for Gearswap. If you dont use Gearswap they'll think your gimp or too lazy to use it and collect all the extra gear.

BDO - Hackers are literally exploiting everything in there since the GM's can't stop them and they're not allowed to permanently ban players, not even repeat offenders lol.

FFXIV - They banned the MogBoard Dev for using the companion app on his alt accounts to check prices for his website. Thousands of accounts get banned every 2-3 weeks.