PLDs are not MT, but DRK are. Discuss.

[Canadane]

You may also need to consider that cure bombing isn't always needed.
If I'm at half HP that's fine. I'm in no extra danger than if I were at full HP. I have multiple (and honestly stupidly overpowered) way to bring my own HP up. All tanks do, though honestly WAR and DRK shine the most in large packs of mobs this way.

[ReiMakoto]

You may also need to consider that cure bombing isn't always needed.
If I'm at half HP that's fine. I'm in no extra danger than if I were at full HP. I have multiple (and honestly stupidly overpowered) way to bring my own HP up. All tanks do, though honestly WAR and DRK shine the most in large packs of mobs this way.

Yeah this, at level 70 I'd probably say drk/war are better in dungeons on average than PLD by a decent margin, mostly due to higher CD uptime, and their lifedrain skills have low cost and help kill the packs faster, not to mention DRK is constantly shielding itself with blackest night too. PLD has maybe 2 hallowed's it can use in a dungeon, but bulwark and sentinel having such long CD's, and shelltron only blocking 1 of the many incoming attacks, and im not sure by how much the passive blocking stacks up against the active mitigation of the other 2.

[Kabooa]

PLD has maybe 2 hallowed's it can use in a dungeon, but bulwark and sentinel having such long CD's.

Given that bosses do no damage compared to packs, having two hallowed grounds on giant pack pulls is pretty significant. Bulwark paired with Anticipation is nearly as strong as Vengeance / Shadow wall, and Flash is nearly another 20 seconds of 25% evasion.

Paladin isn't lacking in the slightest. Things die a little slower but I doubt anyone's gonna care if a dungeon takes 15 minutes compared to 17.

[AnimaAnimus]

You may also need to consider that cure bombing isn't always needed.
If I'm at half HP that's fine. I'm in no extra danger than if I were at full HP. I have multiple (and honestly stupidly overpowered) way to bring my own HP up. All tanks do, though honestly WAR and DRK shine the most in large packs of mobs this way.

I don't overcure, but when a tanks hp drops by over half in a matter of seconds, they need the bomb. There are times I get hp to around 90%-ish do 1 stone and its back to 40%, one more and they are dead, or near it. I am sure its a lack of dmg mitigation and other abilities, I don't play tank so I cant say what really. But there are a lot of tanks you need to constantly heal or they will just flat out die.

You, as a tank may not need cure bombs, but there are a lot of ppl out there with no idea what they are doing at lvl 70. We see this across the board with brds who don't use songs, healers who ignore most their kit, nin who don't ninjutsu, ice mages and so on. I even run into 70 smns who don't dot because they don't think it does enough dmg. Had one of those in expert yesterday. "Why are you not using dots?" "It doesn't do enough dmg, ruin is better." /facepalm

So idk why its so hard to believe its the same with tank? I know tank ego is real in ffxiv, but you are not some super special group who can do no wrong, there are just as many bad tanks as there are bad everything else. And it may just be more noticeable on war and drk than pld.

[Awful]

So idk why its so hard to believe its the same with tank? I know tank ego is real in ffxiv, but you are not some super special group who can do no wrong, there are just as many bad tanks as there are bad everything else. And it may just be more noticeable on war and drk than pld.

Everyone's bad at something and there's always room for improvement, people judge tanks and healers more harshly then say, the SMN you're talking about because a SMN is just a SMN it can't heal or tank it can DPS, healers and tanks once great at their role are a boon for the party. A tank doing 4-5k DPS vs doing 2k DPS in tank stance, doing 1-2-3 isn't as helpful as a tank who is constantly rotating their CDs, DPSing, keeping threat, you can easily do mass pulls (like The Burn) without a tank stance.

I did it last night as a DRK but was I actively making it hard for the healer? No. I'd have threat, Abyssal Drain and rotate CDs while using TbN and Quietus for DPS and mitigation its all about how you play your tank is where people have their differences. As for the statement is DRK harder to heal than PLD? No. Same goes for WAR they all take the same damage it just depends on if your tank is rotating CDs, staying out of the bad, how fast things are dying etc, people need to stop spouting this nonsense that PLDs take the least amount of damage, yes they can block but its not life saving.

Also people joke about tank privilege but I've never seen tanks have an ego so I don't know where that mentality is coming from.