So-called "Mentors" and intentional disconnections.

[Aurelius2625]

Lazy people trying to justify their own villany. They know what they should do, but rely on semantics to wiggle out of their own self imposed responsibility.

[JunseiKei]

This is what happens when you implement something that runs off of an honor system.

On the flipside, I start leaving EX trials when I've gotten them for 5+ times in a row and I've just had to up to here *puts hand well over head* with tanks that don't understand, "Focus target your fellow tank. Grab 3 orbs and provoke to tank the boss. When Thunderstorm happens around 20s left on your buff, OT grabs 3 orbs, then provokes to tank. Don't go over 3 unless told to OC - then grab 1." Tank runs over and grabs 6 orbs, provokes and whines they aren't getting healed and does this 7+ times. EDIT: Yes, we told the tank multiple times that when you grab over 3 orbs, you get a debuff that reduces the healing you receive by significant amounts. They refused to believe us, even when we told them to check your debuff. Worst part? They were trying otherwise, they just refused to believe the healing reduction was a thing!

Or "Healer with Searing Wind stand away from party" - proceeds to stand on boss's rear.

Or "tank Garuda facing away from rocks, or away if there's no outter wind. OT needs to grab Chirada and tank her across as far as possible or she gets stacks. Don't kill spiny until Garuda jumps." Party proceeds to kill spiny ASAP and tank doesn't bother to grab Chirada.

My personal favorite yesterday: "Need to get all of the mogs low, then kill 1" - proceeds to focus 1 and kill it.

It's not like I'm giving a detailed explanation and expecting it to be remembered and followed perfectly. Just a very basic line of 'this is the main mechanic, this is how you handle it to live.'

I can only tolerate so much stupid. All for what? ONE clear out of 2,000? Not worth it.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

It would fix a lot of the trouble with the mentor mindset that we currently have. The "I never did this fight legit, so im not going to do it now." If your wanting to be a mentor you should learn any an all mechincs you can, most of them are all repeats an just renamed, so theres not even that many to learn.

As a Mentor you should help newcomers to find their way around in the game and teach them what you can, but people should also respect that not every mentor knows or did everything. Also Ex-Trials & Savage-Raids are clearly not newcomer-content. These are meant for experienced players, so people trying to do them - especially synced - shouldn't need a mentor in the first place. That's like asking a kindergarten teacher to help you with your collage exam.

[AxlStream]

They need to make it so the mentor df can only be used by players who have cleared all content synced.. Those that took the time to learn each an every fight, not just brute(justice) your way across the land unsynced..

It would fix a lot of the trouble with the mentor mindset that we currently have. The "I never did this fight legit, so im not going to do it now." If your wanting to be a mentor you should learn any an all mechincs you can, most of them are all repeats an just renamed, so theres not even that many to learn.

My guy, even after I did all the fights unsynced I don't want to do Thordan EX synced ever again. It took hours of learning parties to get through and you expect mentors to get newbies through it in a single lockout? This ain't easy mode SB EX trials.

[Veis_Alveare]

Anyone who bows out as mentor should have crown and mount taken from them. Dont want to mentor? No rewards. How sweet it would be to have some selfish jerk lose all of that work. Delicious rage tears.

So there would be no mentors? Cool.

If I don't want to spend a lockout in an EX primal from 4+years ago trying to cart dead bodies across the finish line that's my perogative.

People who leave immediately upon getting something in mentor roulette are being a little judgey but if you realize there is no chance for a group to clear a fight and refer them to PF instead I don't think there's anything wrong with not wasting an hour of your time.

[Baxcel]

As a Mentor you should help newcomers to find their way around in the game and teach them what you can, but people should also respect that not every mentor knows or did everything. Also Ex-Trials & Savage-Raids are clearly not newcomer-content. These are meant for experienced players, so people trying to do them - especially synced - shouldn't need a mentor in the first place. That's like asking a kindergarten teacher to help you with your collage exam.

Im not currently a mentor, had plenty of bad experiences with mentors, but i wanna be a mentor to actually help players.

I was into Heavensward before i even knew about unsynced runs.. I cleared all the ARR extremes primals without knowing about Party Finder. I even went back an did extremes and hards with new players for tomestones.

But it's not just ex that are a problem with mentors.. I had a titan hard.. A story requirement that a mentor refused to pull him to a side said "tanking in the center is best" despite the centered on him knockback after one wipe he refused to pull. He was our tank and said to kick him.. When we didn't he forced disconnected himself an then got booted..

Mentors who leave any kinda duty without its completion.. Minus a party wide agree to disban should receive an hour lock out and every time they get a lockout it needs to be doubled on the lockout timer

[Veis_Alveare]

Mentors who leave any kinda duty without its completion.. Minus a party wide agree to disban should receive an hour lock out and every time they get a lockout it needs to be doubled on the lockout timer

Congratulations you just removed a huge group of people from queuing for mentor roulette.

Honestly this is one of the worst ideas I've seen on these forums ever.

[Baxcel]

My guy, even after I did all the fights unsynced I don't want to do Thordan EX synced ever again. It took hours of learning parties to get through and you expect mentors to get newbies through it in a single lockout? This ain't easy mode SB EX trials.

thats fine if you don't wanna do it, but being a mentor you should be prepared to do a duty until its timed out or vote abandoned .. That's partly what you signed up for with being a mentor.

Not trying be rude but, the stuff your bring placed in, with ex and trials are where people need the guidance, and bailing on them isn't what you said you would do, when you clicked the accept button to be a mentor

[AxlStream]

thats fine if you don't wanna do it, but being a mentor you should be prepared to do a duty until its timed out or vote abandoned .. That's partly what you signed up for with being a mentor.

Not trying be rude but, the stuff your bring placed in, with ex and trials are where people need the guidance, and bailing on them isn't what you said you would do, when you clicked the accept button to be a mentor

So you expect that what took the same mentors hours to learn and practice to teach all of that to 7 sprouts in the span of an hour? Not. Happening.

[Vahlnir]

thats fine if you don't wanna do it, but being a mentor you should be prepared to do a duty until its timed out or vote abandoned .. That's partly what you signed up for with being a mentor.

Not trying be rude but, the stuff your bring placed in, with ex and trials are where people need the guidance, and bailing on them isn't what you said you would do, when you clicked the accept button to be a mentor

Mentors signed up to be mentors to help, yes. That doesn't mean that they HAVE to stick around if they don't like what they see. The leave duty option is available to everyone so everyone is free to use it as they see fit.

So you expect that what took the same mentors hours to learn and practice to teach all of that to 7 sprouts in the span of an hour? Not. Happening.

Also this. So much this.