add Random stat rolls to in game drops

[KadaRemnant]

No way, you must be joking. No and no time infinity.

[Burningskull]

As someone who has played Diablo 3... NO!!! If SE even MENTIONED that I would have to spend 1k tomestons and 7 items on the same weapon over and over again to get the right stats on it, THAT would make me unsub in a heartbeat.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

As someone who has played Diablo 3... NO!!! If SE even MENTIONED that I would have to spend 1k tomestons and 7 items on the same weapon over and over again to get the right stats on it, THAT would make me unsub in a heartbeat.

3 screwed up the random system it uses a a 1-4 different types per piece
also again n i said from drops and crafted items lol which include raid drops.

the item can have different variations on stat,sockets that would make items meaningfull instead of everyone walking around as clones of another within same job

[Burningskull]

instead of everyone walking around as clones of another within same job

That's what glamour is for.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

That's what glamour is for.

glamor doesn't change the fact that all jobs on all ppl are exactly both stats,rotation the look itself are exact same which honestly gets old hints y i have a total have 5 different accounts well that and i want to be on without certain ppl knowing sometimes.

But adding some uniqueness with stats using random would fix alot since they refuse to add the xi system that let u customize the job in highlvls

[Burningskull]

glamor doesn't change the fact that all jobs on all ppl are exactly both stats,rotation the look itself are exact same which honestly gets old hints y i have a total have 5 different accounts well that and i want to be on without certain ppl knowing sometimes.

But adding some uniqueness with stats using random would fix alot since they refuse to add the xi system that let u customize the job in highlvls

Random stats on weapons won't change rotation. Nor would it change much of anything. You're still going to be expect to prioritize one stat over another, or preform your rotation a certain way to be the "best" at the job that you can be.

The only way things would change is if they added more endgame gear to the game. Giving you more choices for what gear you want to wear. But even then someone will come up with a BiS list which will just be this piece from this place and this piece from this place, which to be honest only the hardcore players mostly care about BiS. Everyone else just get's what ever is easiest. So even with more options you would still have people wearing pretty much the same gear.

I think it's better to enjoy the content, or to promote for more... dynamic content, so that doing the same fight over and over for the RNG things we already have in the game, for example mounts, is the way to go.

You also have to think of the loot lock outs. Savage raiding already has a horrible loot system. Now you add random stats to a piece of gear? So you clear this really hard content, mange to beat out 7 other players for a piece of gear, then it's stats roll worse than what you are wearing and you can't get a new piece for a whole week? How many people do you think would raid then when the raiding scene is already a small portion of the player base.

[Vidu]

glamor doesn't change the fact that all jobs on all ppl are exactly both stats,rotation the look itself are exact same which honestly gets old hints y i have a total have 5 different accounts well that and i want to be on without certain ppl knowing sometimes.

But adding some uniqueness with stats using random would fix alot since they refuse to add the xi system that let u customize the job in highlvls

You know that thats not how its gonna work, right? The jobs will still play the same, important stats for the job will still be the same, BiS will still be one specific mix of gear - just now you added a whole bunch of RNG to get this one specific BiS-set (instead of it being a mix of different sources of reliable gear).

The fact that all people will have the same ideal gearset wont change because stats are random now. It wont lead to different builds or anything. Bards will farm their minds of for all crit, BLMs will throw everything without spellspeed away and so on. It will only be more annoying to get that gear.

[linay]

glamor doesn't change the fact that all jobs on all ppl are exactly both stats,rotation the look itself are exact same which honestly gets old hints y i have a total have 5 different accounts well that and i want to be on without certain ppl knowing sometimes.

But adding some uniqueness with stats using random would fix alot since they refuse to add the xi system that let u customize the job in highlvls

Play your own character and don't worry about other people's characters. And if you're complaining because you play multiple characters with the same job and they play the same, then use different jobs on different characters. A monk plays differently to a dragoon. They have different stats, different rotations, and different looks.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

How in the fish is working for gear a handout but gearing up solely based on your luck and not your skill not a handount? Were you dropped on your head repeatedly?

it isn't work lol you literally already just spam dungeon and roll against maybe 1 other player that isnt work lol

[Alaray]

it isn't work lol you literally already just spam dungeon and roll against maybe 1 other player that isnt work lol

Savage is generally harder to do than a dungeon.

But what I get from this is: Dungeons should feel more difficult and rewarding to complete.

Since either way you get a free item in this example. One's just arbitrarily really garbage, while the other guy happened to roll BiS.

Most of what you say, the sensation of feeling unique, occurred in a lot of older titles by having difficult, high end means to receive those items that not everyone would be able to invest to get. Since every other iteration ends up the same: everyone is going to go for the BiS roll, regardless, and it's all the same in the end anyway. The only thing that generated a unique-sensation of reward was being aware you earned something by doing a piece of content a lot of people can't otherwise invest in to complete to get the same item. However, if they locked relics behind Ultimate, I have a strong sensation the vast majority of the playebase would despise that choice -- since everyone would want the unique item that makes their class, their class.

So it sounds like, from this position, you'd prefer horizontal gear progression that lends into various builds. Although XIV isn't built in such a way where horizontal gear progression would be any different from getting what makes your class the Best. There aren't a variety of builds for classes to an extent other games achieved long ago in the form of talent options, choices, synergies with those choices, and then synergies with those choices and items that affected them for gameplay (ie: tier sets). And this design also runs into issues of 1 build being the best period, on top of not being able to feel like you get to play your job, until you get the specific bonus you need to make it work.

I'm starting to feel that I understand what you want, the idea behind it, but don't know how that's achieved. Because random stat rolls isn't how that's achieved, since the item is still a handout by your standards regardless, but I also think you feel an endless, mindless grind (ie: eureka-style) is "work" when it's not work, because it's not hard, and it's not challenging to do. An endless grind of mobs, an endless grind of dungeons, aren't interactive, challenging, or necessarily fun. Mobs don't require you to do anything other than kill them with a couple buttons, move on to the next one when you didn't get what you needed. Dungeons are at a point where they aren't particularly interactive pieces of content, since they're designed to be afk-easy for the vast majority of them. Receiving an item reward from a dungeon isn't inherently as rewarding as receiving an Extreme weapon item, or a Savage weapon item, or an Ultimate item (even if the last is generally just cosmetic). It's more of a "oh thank rng, finally" and paced with that RNG in mind. But if you start adding excessive roll possibilities, for stats, for meld slots, for tertiary stats, etc... then the grind never really ends, and the likelihood you get what you want out of the investment becomes potentially 0 even after 2000+ runs of the same thing.

I'm going to also add:

You can't import XI systems into XIV. They're completely different games, with completely different designs, that often times are at odds with each other. You'd need to put more thought into it than "just put XI in XIV!" Because it's not that simple, at all. You'd need to consider: How does this impact the game's fight design? How does this impact the game's mechanical design? Job balance? How does this impact the game's control fidelity? How does this impact the game's playability? How does this affect gameplay in all areas -- Dungeons, Raids, Open World, Maps, Eureka, Deep Dungeons, etc... ? How does this impact the player? Does it add anything meaningful? Or does it add nothing, and only negative points -- frustration, burn out, feeling unrewarded for time investment etc... ? What else needs to be overhauled to make it work? Is it worth it?

And comparing Action RPGs to a MMO also is a fundamental misunderstanding of the gameplay design and audiences of these genres and the intended goals behind them.

Especially when you consider how Action RPG's are by and large solo experiences, fast paced experiences, and crap out a lot of items to make your individual character be able to grow up into Literally Overpowered to blow through waves and waves of mobs with a gameplay system that lends itself to making that fun to do. (Some people like massive explosions and sending hundreds of mobs flying to hit the walls instantly, but you can't replicate that in a MMO since, even with XIV's combat design, it's too slow spaced and methodical).