Suggestion For housing

[RobbyBunny]

Simple in the end someone can get the plot and evently you will get 1 but a loto system would screw everyone every single day.
so right now u might have a 1 in 50 chance if they used loto you would have a 1-9000 chance lol almost noone wins the loto in golden saucer for housing no..

and if they did add this id support ddos

With all due respect, you cannot compare housing to the golden saucer, that's a designed lottery, designed specifically around minimizing the number of winners. A raffle system in housing wouldn't be bad at all, there's no inherent scarcity to uphold. You'd keep the current limits in place (lvl 50, 1 per character, ect), but rather than an arbitrary hidden timer you purchase a 'ticket' and then the gil is earmarked for 24-48 hours and then if you don't win, the gil is returned and you try again. Sure RNG is frustrating but so is standing around a placard for twelve hours alongside fifteen others as they spam a placard only for a random stranger walking buy to get the plot. Whilst other try to trade block you from buying the property. It stops people from actually being able to play the game they pay for.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

With all due respect, you cannot compare housing to the golden saucer, that's a designed lottery, designed specifically around minimizing the number of winners. A raffle system in housing wouldn't be bad at all, there's no inherent scarcity to uphold. You'd keep the current limits in place (lvl 50, 1 per character, ect), but rather than an arbitrary hidden timer you purchase a 'ticket' and then the gil is earmarked for 24-48 hours and then if you don't win, the gil is returned and you try again. Sure RNG is frustrating but so is standing around a placard for twelve hours alongside fifteen others as they spam a placard only for a random stranger walking buy to get the plot. Whilst other try to trade block you from buying the property. It stops people from actually being able to play the game they pay for.

its not stoping you from playing the game

you are choosing to not play the game for something ment for roleplayers which honestly is playing the game for them.

Just buy an apartment if not a roleplayer a apartment should be good enough for you lol

[Penthea]

How exactly would it make the issue worse?

Players with multiple accounts could enter the lottery for a plot multiple times. There is a famous pair of players on Mateus who own an entire ward. Imagine how many times those two people alone could enter the draw.

Similar to the above multiple players could pool their resources and tip the odds heavily in their favour. Not so much of an issue for private home purchase, but considering a large wealthy fc trying to collect shell fc houses...this could become a serious problem. There are already some wards full of shell fcs and some of them had to deal with the inconvenience of the placard timer. The lottery would make it easier for them to get more plots.

Lottery makes participation easier, which is obviously your intention with your suggestion. However for that convenience you trade it for the above happening, as well as a general increase in competition. Right now a lot of players don't do the placard spam because they don't want to or are unable to. Lottery would be a near zero effort undertaking which would mean the amount of people who are able to compete could dramatically rise (depending on the server), which of course means your odds of winning a plot could be far lower than before.

By introducing lottery SE would be effectively encouraging players to use several accounts, their own or from multiple players, to increase their odds of getting a house. And this is because this would be the best way to get an edge in the competition. Right now a commonly used edge is bots that spam click the placard, but not everyone does that as it has its own risks due to being against the ToS. There would be nothing in the ToS, for obvious reasons, that would prevent multiple accounts from bidding on the same plot. So players could game the lottery system risk-free.

I agree the placard timer is horrendous. But lottery is not the way to fix it.

[Thamorian]

It would make it more fair between those trying to get a house. If Person A is on a PS4 and person B is on PC with a macro keyboard, Person A is at a disadvantage when it comes to clicking the board. Person B could set up a keyboard macro (even though its against ToS) and just spam placard while being AFK.

Though at the same time, taking the time and willingness to sit at a placard in itself shows a person probably wants the house more than a group of people who come by and simply deposit gil for a lotto chance at the house. Instead of 1 to 3 (the number of people I see on average competing for a small house on Gilgamesh) people sitting at a placard spamming it for several house (thuse giving 100%-33% chance at getting the house if all else is considered fair), with a lotto system where people only need to drop by once and deposit and then leave, then you would have to compete against a unknown larger number of players for the house. As long as you got the gil, it doesn't take any work to enter your lotto chance so why not go for it mentality?

[Thamorian]

Players with multiple accounts could enter the lottery for a plot multiple times. There is a famous pair of players on Mateus who own an entire ward. Imagine how many times those two people alone could enter the draw.

If it's multiple accounts, thats not really an issue then. That could still fall within 1 private and 1 FC house per account. And the Mateus pair bought all those houses before Mateus became the 2nd RP server. When Mateus used to be a really low pop server and many many many houses across all wards went vacant for months after housing release. Yeah sucks now since Mateus is now a high pop server but you can't really compare their situation to now.

[Penthea]

If it's multiple accounts, thats not really an issue then. That could still fall within 1 private and 1 FC house per account.

The fc house restriction was quietly removed. A player can have 8 fc houses on a server now. Why SE removed it is beyond my understanding. The restriction made sense.

[Dustytome]

Players with multiple accounts could enter the lottery for a plot multiple times. There is a famous pair of players on Mateus who own an entire ward. Imagine how many times those two people alone could enter the draw.

They amassed that before the personal house restrictions were in place though didn't they? I don't recall the timing on that, but if it was before then they could have snagged up to 32 plots between the two of them if they each had 8 character and each character had a personal and an fc house. That's just using one account each. The maximum any one account can acquire per world starting from scratch today is 9, so a total of 4 accounts needed to own an entire ward.

[Thamorian]

The fc house restriction was quietly removed. A player can have 8 fc houses on a server now. Why SE removed it is beyond my understanding. The restriction made sense.

That's true but if someone is using multiple account to enter a lotto, it's an advantage for them but it wouldn't be against the rules. Kinda hard to prevent some form of P2W in MMO's (not really P2W but you know what I mean. more money = more advantages). But not everyone would have that kind of advantage, most likely only a very very small portion of the community has multiple accounts so you aren't guaranteed to run into a situation like that.

[Penthea]

They amassed that before the personal house restrictions were in place though didn't they? I don't recall the timing on that, but if it was before then they could have snagged up to 32 plots between the two of them if they each had 8 character and each character had a personal and an fc house. That's just using one account each. The maximum any one account can acquire per world starting from scratch today is 9, so a total of 4 accounts needed to own an entire ward.

And yet this restriction will not help if a huge fc wants to collect shell fc houses. Some have already done it. It would be even easier with a lottery system.

We need a system in which the activity of another person cannot possibly affect your chances of getting a house. Lottery will not give us that.

That's true but if someone is using multiple account to enter a lotto, it's an advantage for them but it wouldn't be against the rules. Kinda hard to prevent some form of P2W in MMO's (not really P2W but you know what I mean. more money = more advantages).

That is precisely the problem with the lottery suggestion. It means players with more rl money could get a very significant advantage. And of course fcs with more gil too. It would be turning the housing system into something super capitalist.

[Thamorian]

And yet this restriction will not help if a huge fc wants to collect shell fc houses. Some have already done it. It would be even easier with a lottery system.

We need a system in which the activity of another person cannot possibly affect your chances of getting a house. Lottery will not give us that.



That is precisely the problem with the lottery suggestion. It means players with more rl money could get a very significant advantage. And of course fcs with more gil too. It would be turning the housing system into something super capitalist.

As far as I can determine, the only system to achieve that goal is instanced housing, which I would be fine with as long as there is still a yard. Instanced housing alongside housing wards. But doesn't look like SE if going to implement something like that anytime soon. I think I remembered reading back that SE is looking to expand apartments.