Housing Issues

[Mailevelant]

There are no official rp servers. The community decides where they rp, not SE.

Also how does a server having rp mean you have to move?

Have you played with some of these hard core role players? They don't understand that most of us have real lives to live and don't want someone spamming only one spell because "That's all my character learned before they got kicked out" (Yes we've heard this argument from an RP person on a server who literally only spammed the one ability and died repeatedly in a higher tier dungeon)

SE has labelled the servers with an intent for RP to be on specific servers and then decides that for whatever internal reason, they will move happy servers to shards that are geared towards RP. The only reason for this that makes any sense is that it was a cash grab from their players. With the new expansion coming out, you would think that they had enough income pocketed but instead they shift things around to force people who refuse to RP to go out and buy extra retainers to move their stuff or to "shake up" the housing markets and move peoples in game coin around.

The Free Company we are a part of did a lot of scouting when the announcement was made that our server was being moved. At the time, the new server had the best potential. However, many people preemptively moved their characters by paying for the transfer to get ahead of the curve. That crippled it for those of us who were forced to wait.

[Sunoske]

Have you played with some of these hard core role players? They don't understand that most of us have real lives to live and don't want someone spamming only one spell because "That's all my character learned before they got kicked out" (Yes we've heard this argument from an RP person on a server who literally only spammed the one ability and died repeatedly in a higher tier dungeon)

SE has labelled the servers with an intent for RP to be on specific servers and then decides that for whatever internal reason, they will move happy servers to shards that are geared towards RP. The only reason for this that makes any sense is that it was a cash grab from their players. With the new expansion coming out, you would think that they had enough income pocketed but instead they shift things around to force people who refuse to RP to go out and buy extra retainers to move their stuff or to "shake up" the housing markets and move peoples in game coin around.

The Free Company we are a part of did a lot of scouting when the announcement was made that our server was being moved. At the time, the new server had the best potential. However, many people preemptively moved their characters by paying for the transfer to get ahead of the curve. That crippled it for those of us who were forced to wait.

So you've dealt with a small hand full of people derping and decided to give up your house? That's not every roleplayer, hell whilst raiding I found quite a lot of non roleplayers doing things like that.... it's called a player base. You get people like that sometimes, to give up your house and hard work over that without realizing that not everyone is like that is a little ridiculous. lmao.

Once again. Square forced you to do nothing, you could have stayed on your server and found a static, found friends, your illogical fear of role players is your issue man, and its honestly hilarious.

[Mailevelant]

As others have commented in this chain, it is less about the housing thing for me personally. It is more about Square Enix's complete lack of response to something that they knew was going to be an issue. They know people are botting to buy houses and they blatantly do nothing about it even though it violates the terms of the agreement for the game.

They instituted a ridiculous timing system to force people to spend hours upon hours waiting for a house to be available. If they did them in a true auction style fashion, then there wouldn't be an issue. You bid high enough, you get the land. Players on Playstation 4 are getting shafted because they have to spend hours and hours getting hand cramps and possibly carpal tunnel, just to try and land a house. PC users can just throw on a bot and land a house easily without even being on their machine.

No, we didn't have to move from the server, if we wanted to deal with "derping role players" but when your entire Free Company decides that it is the best course of action, you either go and get shafted by a broken housing system or be left to play on a server with none of your friends there with you, making it that much harder to get certain quests and achievements done.

[Sunoske]

As others have commented in this chain, it is less about the housing thing for me personally. It is more about Square Enix's complete lack of response to something that they knew was going to be an issue. They know people are botting to buy houses and they blatantly do nothing about it even though it violates the terms of the agreement for the game.

They instituted a ridiculous timing system to force people to spend hours upon hours waiting for a house to be available. If they did them in a true auction style fashion, then there wouldn't be an issue. You bid high enough, you get the land. Players on Playstation 4 are getting shafted because they have to spend hours and hours getting hand cramps and possibly carpal tunnel, just to try and land a house. PC users can just throw on a bot and land a house easily without even being on their machine.

No, we didn't have to move from the server, if we wanted to deal with "derping role players" but when your entire Free Company decides that it is the best course of action, you either go and get shafted by a broken housing system or be left to play on a server with none of your friends there with you, making it that much harder to get certain quests and achievements done.

Square does take action against botters if you report them. Once more I'm hearing nothing from you but shifting blame and salt. As it's been shown over the years, (Coming from someone who has played this game since the beginning.) They will speak up and do something once more than just the NA or EU player base says something, do you just expect them to answer every crying person because they feel entitled?

To implement an auction system would completely ruin the point of housing and the system they have in place. When people are having to pay well over what the plot is worth just to own it, less people would even have houses, that's not really a good replacement system. They made it this way so people couldn't flip houses for godly amounts of gil, which sucks yes and its not perfect, but tbh no game is perfect. At the end of the day its a game and if you have a life you wouldn't be crying in forums over something so silly. Friends can still be chatted with via discord, new friends and fcs can always be found. Grow up.

[Penthea]

Have you played with some of these hard core role players? They don't understand that most of us have real lives to live and don't want someone spamming only one spell because "That's all my character learned before they got kicked out" (Yes we've heard this argument from an RP person on a server who literally only spammed the one ability and died repeatedly in a higher tier dungeon)

Yes I have and some of them are excellent at the game. It sounds like you're judging a very large community based on a tiny handful you have met.

Or you're looking for reasons to be angry at someone else other than yourself, so you target what you think is an easy group to put down.

SE has labelled the servers with an intent for RP to be on specific servers and then decides that for whatever internal reason

Please show me a screenshot of this because to my knowledge SE have so far not labelled any server for rp. In fact they very rarely talk about rpers.

The only reason for this that makes any sense is that it was a cash grab from their players.

How is giving out free transfers cash grabbing?

The Free Company we are a part of did a lot of scouting when the announcement was made that our server was being moved. At the time, the new server had the best potential. However, many people preemptively moved their characters by paying for the transfer to get ahead of the curve. That crippled it for those of us who were forced to wait.

So some moved sooner than others, which then messed up your plans. You just admitted that your group messed up things for yourself. Not SE. So this thread is little more than you trying to shift the blame to rpers and SE for your group's poor execution of plans.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You'll love to hear that there is quite a bit of rp on gilgamesh, siren, adamantoise, and jenova then. Hope you enjoy playing with role players!


(I don't rp, and you can look me up if you want, I don't hide my achievements or "logs")

I've had just as many bad players from the "raid servers" as I have from the "rp" servers.

[JohnnyDevo]

Yet I don't see anyone in the community coming up with a reasonable alternative that can actually function and isn't pretty much clinically insane.

I can think of one immediately:

House is relinquished by previous user.

For the next 24 (or 72, or whatever) hours, the house is un-purchasable. However, people can click "buy" and be entered into a raffle, spending the cost of the purchase price. At the end of the period, the house is given to a random person in the raffle. if nobody in the raffle, anyone can buy it.

- solves the issue of house flipping
- fairly solves the issue of players feeling forced to camp a plot for 11 hours (I just got my house that way last night and it sucks)
- is a solution that works on top of the existing system and would not require heavy reform

and that's just off the top of my head. There's lots of things they could do, this system is just a way to punish every player for some players daring to treat houses as a marketable item. And it doesn't even stop that. House selling still happens, because people who already have a house can move plots and circumvent the "can't buy this" timer. What the timer change to the current system did was only make it harder to get into this housing market.

[Barraind]

Not sure how anyone could defend this game's woefully bad housing system.

14 housing is worse than games that did it 10 years before. Its really depressing when you think about it.

No one is actually making you move

Eh, I can see why a lot of people who are now on Crystal felt they had to move, and why a whole bunch did.

If you used the cross world implementation as an excuse to leave servers to do things like buy housing (one reason I left Cactuar over a year ago) but still have everyone on that server available to do raiding / dungeons and that sort of stuff with, you probably felt you HAD to go back to one of those servers where you knew people since you would no longer have any access to them post move.

It was a hotly debated thing among most of Coeurl's communities. I have more (Unable to Retrieve) on my friends list than I do actual names now. If I could have moved my house, my FC house and my alt FC house, I'd have felt like I HAD to move too. As it is, I just feel completely screwed over regardless of which I picked.

[Sunoske]

House is relinquished by previous user.

For the next 24 (or 72, or whatever) hours, the house is un-purchasable. However, people can click "buy" and be entered into a raffle, spending the cost of the purchase price. At the end of the period, the house is given to a random person in the raffle. if nobody in the raffle, anyone can buy it.

- solves the issue of house flipping
- fairly solves the issue of players feeling forced to camp a plot for 11 hours (I just got my house that way last night and it sucks)
- is a solution that works on top of the existing system and would not require heavy reform

I can agree with that, it would be a much more fair and less intensive system on the players camping for 5-15+ hours actually there trying.

[Novak_04]

Square Enix forced us to move by turning our server into an RP server and moving the node it was on. Now the years (yes plural) worth of playtime and work that we have accumulated are all for nothing because we get ousted and have no house anymore. The girlfriend has spent months farming specific things to get items to furnish the house and was forced to pack it all up because SQEX decided to screw us over.

She's ready to quit the game altogether because of this nonsense. They could easily alleviate this or have planned it better. I am an IT professional for a fortune 500 and this is the most half baked, unplanned thing I have ever seen from a supposed professional company.

This is completely irrelevant. I would know... I'm a professional forum reader.