Housing Timer why x.x

[MizArai]

...lol what?

So I have two hands...and because they will never "run out" this means that mathematically speaking I have an infinite number of hands? So...I guess I'm technically some weird cosmic spider?

The lengths people go to in order to legitimise house hoarding is absolutely hilarious

That must be awesome to never run out of hands. Even though I have 2 hands, I'm often doing things with both hands. Heck, I often have to figure out using other things besides hands to help myself out. It must be amazing to never run our of hands.

Those houses on those previously dead servers did run out. So their source is no longer mathematically infinite...which means that the house hoarding can no longer be okay because the houses are now mathematically a finite source.

So you just basically argued against yourself. Well done.

I'm not convinced they have run out everywhere. (I mean, I know there are still some super dead JP servers, but I don't think we care about those here.) I think we're still seeing many houses that will be auto demo'd. Unless the NA population evened out a lot more that I ever thought it would. I guess to know that for sure we'll have to wait like 3 more weeks for the big auto demo.

Even acknowledging that 4-5 years later houses became a finite resource, how long should someone sit and look at an empty world never knowing if it will possibly fill up one day? And just because new people move into your home world, does that mean you should have to give up things that you've had for years? If you have 100 acres of land in real life, then I move to your town and am homeless, should the town force you to sell me some of your land so I can build a house? (That's basically what you're asking SE to do, force people to give up their plots (land) and house.) That's not how things work. It might not be "fair" for the new people, but forcing people to give up homes they worked hard for isn't fair either. And I still don't even understand why people are asking for it. It would probably only add 100-200 more houses per server (at most, and I'm still convinced this is a super high estimate for most servers). On most servers with a housing problem, those 100-200 houses will not help. At all. It's a band aid that would hurt more players than it would help (because it would also hurt all the other new players that still couldn't get a house). Please stop asking for a bad fix.

Sorry, I forgot I wanted to respond to this as well.

Honestly i agree with many of your points. The only thing don''t agree with is the fact the people like Mew have gotten so many houses and basically are not doing anything with it. Trust me, i understand that per the game rules they are not doing anything against the rules and technically this falls on Square Enix. That being said, that does not mean i have to like a person that buys 20 houses just to brag about it. If they were being used i honestly wouldn't care. But when you get 20 houses and basically don't do anything with them and just brag about the fact. It feels like a slap in the face to people that are trying extremely hard to find even a small house in Goblet.

I honestly don't agree with the huge hoarding FC groups. I am impressed by the fact that they were able to accomplish it on such a heavily populated server. Thinking what they did was ok and acknowledging how difficult it must have been are 2 very different things. I think the 2 people on Mateus are living my decorator's dream of housing, but I definitely was not impressed with what seemed like a copy paste of all the houses they designed in that ward.

The problem is that if you take away all the extreme hoarders, you also take away from the people like me who have 2 houses. I have one for me and one for my BF who lost his house to auto demo (at least once, maybe twice) back when he was hopping around different games more. He was subscribed, but just didn't log in or think about it (even though I told him to). I will only buy him a house so many times before I take the opportunity and just keep a house for him on my account instead of his. And since he doesn't keep a house on his account anymore, I honestly feel like we're basically in the 1/1 rule. The only thing is his house is in my name instead of his. He will never buy a house again. He doesn't even bother with an FC room or an apartment. He uses "his" house constantly.

I don't think the extremes are right, but I also don't think if people bought items in the game according to the game rules that it's right to punish them for it, no matter how much the game grows. It's not our fault as players that SE made a housing system that wasn't sustainable. That SE didn't foresee and haven't been able to keep up with this massive growth. This game has become much more popular in the last few years. The current housing system is a victim of FFXIV's success. The developers know this. They seem interested in fixing it, even if they don't know how yet. Or maybe they have plans and just haven't shared them with us yet until they know how well it work. They seem rather reluctant to share things with us, as we then expect them *cough* Blitz Ball in Stormblood *cough*, even if it turns out not viable.

[Penthea]

I'm not convinced they have run out everywhere.

I didn't say this, I don't know the state of every server but everyone knows there are servers out there that were dead, house hoarders took advantage of the situation, and then the servers became very active and now have a lot of people wondering why one player can have 30 houses while they can't even get 1.

And just because new people move into your home world, does that mean you should have to give up things that you've had for years?

I have said so many times before, I would prefer to not do this. There are other ways to address the housing shortages but lets be serious here. SE are not interested in other ways. They have never shown even a scrap of interest in other ways. They are only interested in tweaking the ward system. So then players ask for ward adjustments because it's actually possible. And unfortunately if we're going to strive for a more even distribution of houses, then grandfathered players will become targeted.

In an ideal situation it would never happen, but SE refuse to present us with an ideal situation, so then of course people's eyes will then fall on to players who knowingly and needlessly make a bad situation worse.

If you have 100 acres of land in real life, then I move to your town and am homeless, should the town force you to sell me some of your land so I can build a house?

This comparison doesn't work because you can just go to another town and take everything with you. You can't in FFXIV. Going to another ward won't help if all the wards are full. Changing server won't help if it means losing most of your gil due to the gil cap. If I transferred to another server I would lose more than 90% of my gil. In real life I wouldn't lose 90% of my money just from moving to another town. You also can't take fc progress with you, but irl if I was part of a club...well the club isn't automatically disbanded or handed to someone else just because I move to a new town. Nor would I be automatically kicked from it.

Also a lot of countries have laws about how much property an individual can purchase within an area, to prevent monopolisation and exploitation by landlords. You mentioned only land. In FFXIV land and housing are one and the same given you can do literally nothing else with the land. So in a real life situation, depending on the location, an individual may be unable to hoard houses in the manner that they can in FFXIV.

The only good answer to all of this and to 99% of the threads in the housing forum...is instanced housing. But SE don't appear to be interested in this at all