Housing Timer why x.x

[Sitallik]

Everyone got their house by working out it, whether they have 1 or ten. For some people housing is all they do. Just cuz it frustrates you doesn't mean its wrong. It takes a lot of time and gil to buy and decorate a house. If someone wants to put their resources into it, let them.

There is only a few who were able to get those houses. Now nobody can do that anymore. Equal rules for all! And no, it's not fair if a few hoard the very limited resources and make it impossible for others to get them.

[MizArai]

There is only a few who were able to get those houses. Now nobody can do that anymore. Equal rules for all! And no, it's not fair if a few hoard the very limited resources and make it impossible for others to get them.

Does it matter that when most people gathered their multiple houses, it wasn't really a limited resource on their server? Most people I know who own multiple houses (that were grandfathered in) chose what were dead servers. There was one point in time when I debated transferring to Goblin because there were about a dozen large houses open, many at the lowest price possible (some were in the Mist which is my favorite zone and where I wanted a large house). (Goblin is not like that anymore. I don't know of any NA server like that anymore. FFXIV has grown tremendously since then.) Was it really wrong of people to see all these empty houses and buy them and use them? Especially since there were still plenty of houses for anyone else? It's not fair to judge people who did nothing wrong as harshly as many of you do. And taking away houses that people worked hard to get isn't right. And taking away houses that people worked hard to get will not fix the housing situation at all. It would barely even be a band-aid.

[Penthea]

Does it matter that when most people gathered their multiple houses, it wasn't really a limited resource on their server? Most people I know who own multiple houses (that were grandfathered in) chose what were dead servers.

It's a limited resource on every server, and every server has the potential to become very active. No excuses.

[MizArai]

It's a limited resource on every server, and every server has the potential to become very active. No excuses.

When half of the houses on a server were empty (as in not purchased) and most with prices bottomed out, I would argue that it's not a limited resource. It doesn't matter that there are/were only a set number. There are many servers that sat with housing wards empty for years. Just because they finally filled up doesn't mean that we should take things away from people who did nothing wrong.

[Penthea]

When half of the houses on a server were empty (as in not purchased) and most with prices bottomed out, I would argue that it's not a limited resource.

So what you're saying is if a shop has 100 books and no one buys any for months or years this means the shop actually has an unlimited supply of books? Somehow 100 unused things becomes an infinite amount of unused things? Right. Sure.

It doesn't matter that there are/were only a set number.

Tell that to everyone on Mateus trying to get a house while two players own an entire ward.

There are many servers that sat with housing wards empty for years. Just because they finally filled up doesn't mean that we should take things away from people who did nothing wrong.

Being able to do something isn't the same as that something automatically being okay to do.

I could kick everyone out of my fc right now without a word, keep the millions in the fc chest that many of them contributed to, and it wouldn't be against the ToS. But would I be wrong in kicking them with zero warning and keep all the gil to myself? Absolutely. Would it negatively impact other players despite not being against the ToS? Definitely.

[MizArai]

So what you're saying is if a shop has 100 books and no one buys any for months or years this means the shop actually has an unlimited supply of books? Somehow 100 unused things becomes an infinite amount of unused things? Right. Sure.

Mathematically speaking, yes. If no one is buying any of those hundred books than effectively those hundred books are the equivalent of an infinite source since they will never run out.

Tell that to everyone on Mateus trying to get a house while two players own an entire ward.

To everyone on Mateus, I'm super sorry that you showed up to a previously dead server where people had decided to buy a whole ward for their personal decoration enjoyment. If only you had decided to transfer sooner (like those 2 did) instead of waiting for a free transfer to leave Balmung in hopes of getting a nice home of your own.

To everyone on Gilgamesh who has to compete with Mew and whatever other FC, I'm super impressed that these FCs were able to purchase so many plots considering the server size, especially if Mew really did acquire all of their extra houses after 4.2. To be able to accomplish such a feat on such a highly populated server is quite an accomplishment. It really does suck that our limited housing is impacted by it, but I still have to be impressed by what they've done.

To people on all the servers that I've missed (I know Leviathan used to have an FC with quite a few houses and still might, I haven't heard about them in a few years now), I'm sorry that our limited housing in game is impacted by what a very few people/ FCs have done; however, as a whole multiple house owners, even considering the extreme examples on Mateus and Gilgamesh, should only account for about 5-6% of the housing on a server. That's adding in a lot of extras. (That means only 5 or 6 of those 100 books are the people you complain about. Please stop trying to make them seem like the devil, as most of the houses on any server are owned by single house owners.)

Being able to do something isn't the same as that something automatically being okay to do.

I could kick everyone out of my fc right now without a word, keep the millions in the fc chest that many of them contributed to, and it wouldn't be against the ToS. But would I be wrong in kicking them with zero warning and keep all the gil to myself? Absolutely. Would it negatively impact other players despite not being against the ToS? Definitely.

Pretty sure that kicking everyone out of your FC for no reason is considered griefing and a reportable offense. I know for a fact it's griefing and reportable if you kick everyone to sell your FC. The part about doing it just to steal from everyone is what might make it a grey area in the rules of the game.

Flip side of that is my personal experience. I was an officer in an FC. I donated 35 mil to the FC chest to help the FC be able to buy a mansion when Shirogane came out. FC changed leaders. I didn't like the new leader, at all. And I didn't realize until about an hour before I left the FC (after a few months of putting up with tons of toxicity) that the new leader had changed permissions for the FC chest, so even though I was an officer and "trusted" I would not be able to get any of the gil back that I had put in the chest (under the old FC leader back when I had faith in the FC) to help the new FC I'd be joining. It sucked. But sometimes set backs happen in life. And I had no one to blame but myself for putting my faith in a group of people I new from a game. The real kicker is the new FC leader eventually kicked everyone out of the FC and "gave it" to a "irl friend" of hers (that she had/ has never played with in game before or since). Funny how she seemed to have tons of gil after she "gave away" the FC and the house.

[mjorge1991]

To everyone on Gilgamesh who has to compete with Mew and whatever other FC, I'm super impressed that these FCs were able to purchase so many plots considering the server size, especially if Mew really did acquire all of their extra houses after 4.2. To be able to accomplish such a feat on such a highly populated server is quite an accomplishment. It really does suck that our limited housing is impacted by it, but I still have to be impressed by what they've done.

Honestly i agree with many of your points. The only thing don''t agree with is the fact the people like Mew have gotten so many houses and basically are not doing anything with it. Trust me, i understand that per the game rules they are not doing anything against the rules and technically this falls on Square Enix. That being said, that does not mean i have to like a person that buys 20 houses just to brag about it. If they were being used i honestly wouldn't care. But when you get 20 houses and basically don't do anything with them and just brag about the fact. It feels like a slap in the face to people that are trying extremely hard to find even a small house in Goblet.

[Penthea]

Mathematically speaking, yes. If no one is buying any of those hundred books than effectively those hundred books are the equivalent of an infinite source since they will never run out..

...lol what?

So I have two hands...and because they will never "run out" this means that mathematically speaking I have an infinite number of hands? So...I guess I'm technically some weird cosmic spider?

The lengths people go to in order to legitimise house hoarding is absolutely hilarious

are the equivalent of an infinite source since they will never run out..

Those houses on those previously dead servers did run out. So their source is no longer mathematically infinite...which means that the house hoarding can no longer be okay because the houses are now mathematically a finite source.

So you just basically argued against yourself. Well done.

[mjorge1991]

I got to admit i laughed out loud at the cosmic spider part.

[MizArai]

...lol what?

So I have two hands...and because they will never "run out" this means that mathematically speaking I have an infinite number of hands? So...I guess I'm technically some weird cosmic spider?

The lengths people go to in order to legitimise house hoarding is absolutely hilarious

That must be awesome to never run out of hands. Even though I have 2 hands, I'm often doing things with both hands. Heck, I often have to figure out using other things besides hands to help myself out. It must be amazing to never run our of hands.

Those houses on those previously dead servers did run out. So their source is no longer mathematically infinite...which means that the house hoarding can no longer be okay because the houses are now mathematically a finite source.

So you just basically argued against yourself. Well done.

I'm not convinced they have run out everywhere. (I mean, I know there are still some super dead JP servers, but I don't think we care about those here.) I think we're still seeing many houses that will be auto demo'd. Unless the NA population evened out a lot more that I ever thought it would. I guess to know that for sure we'll have to wait like 3 more weeks for the big auto demo.

Even acknowledging that 4-5 years later houses became a finite resource, how long should someone sit and look at an empty world never knowing if it will possibly fill up one day? And just because new people move into your home world, does that mean you should have to give up things that you've had for years? If you have 100 acres of land in real life, then I move to your town and am homeless, should the town force you to sell me some of your land so I can build a house? (That's basically what you're asking SE to do, force people to give up their plots (land) and house.) That's not how things work. It might not be "fair" for the new people, but forcing people to give up homes they worked hard for isn't fair either. And I still don't even understand why people are asking for it. It would probably only add 100-200 more houses per server (at most, and I'm still convinced this is a super high estimate for most servers). On most servers with a housing problem, those 100-200 houses will not help. At all. It's a band aid that would hurt more players than it would help (because it would also hurt all the other new players that still couldn't get a house). Please stop asking for a bad fix.

Sorry, I forgot I wanted to respond to this as well.

Honestly i agree with many of your points. The only thing don''t agree with is the fact the people like Mew have gotten so many houses and basically are not doing anything with it. Trust me, i understand that per the game rules they are not doing anything against the rules and technically this falls on Square Enix. That being said, that does not mean i have to like a person that buys 20 houses just to brag about it. If they were being used i honestly wouldn't care. But when you get 20 houses and basically don't do anything with them and just brag about the fact. It feels like a slap in the face to people that are trying extremely hard to find even a small house in Goblet.

I honestly don't agree with the huge hoarding FC groups. I am impressed by the fact that they were able to accomplish it on such a heavily populated server. Thinking what they did was ok and acknowledging how difficult it must have been are 2 very different things. I think the 2 people on Mateus are living my decorator's dream of housing, but I definitely was not impressed with what seemed like a copy paste of all the houses they designed in that ward.

The problem is that if you take away all the extreme hoarders, you also take away from the people like me who have 2 houses. I have one for me and one for my BF who lost his house to auto demo (at least once, maybe twice) back when he was hopping around different games more. He was subscribed, but just didn't log in or think about it (even though I told him to). I will only buy him a house so many times before I take the opportunity and just keep a house for him on my account instead of his. And since he doesn't keep a house on his account anymore, I honestly feel like we're basically in the 1/1 rule. The only thing is his house is in my name instead of his. He will never buy a house again. He doesn't even bother with an FC room or an apartment. He uses "his" house constantly.

I don't think the extremes are right, but I also don't think if people bought items in the game according to the game rules that it's right to punish them for it, no matter how much the game grows. It's not our fault as players that SE made a housing system that wasn't sustainable. That SE didn't foresee and haven't been able to keep up with this massive growth. This game has become much more popular in the last few years. The current housing system is a victim of FFXIV's success. The developers know this. They seem interested in fixing it, even if they don't know how yet. Or maybe they have plans and just haven't shared them with us yet until they know how well it work. They seem rather reluctant to share things with us, as we then expect them *cough* Blitz Ball in Stormblood *cough*, even if it turns out not viable.