BRD: Is THM sub useful?

[Choyi]

Cure, Sacred Prism, Raise, Sanguine Rite, Necrogenesis, Stoneskin, Protect, Resonance

I can coun't more then 5 spells/abilites that BRD can choose from their THM and CNJ subs that will aid them greatly in a support role.


It's more about seing it as a whole, what abilities both classes can bring and pick the best suited ones for the task at hand.
You'd find that most all jobs have the same situation with what abilites they can choose from their assigned classes.

[Yoohre_WildRiver]

Cure, Sacred Prism, Raise, Sanguine Rite, Necrogenesis, Stoneskin, Protect, Resonance

I can coun't more then 5 spells/abilites that BRD can choose from their THM and CNJ subs that will aid them greatly in a support role.

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BRD (ARC/ CNJ/ THM ) abilities with help BRD a lot since bard will be DD/buff/Enffeble.

[Syris]

Cure, Sacred Prism, Raise, Sanguine Rite, Necrogenesis, Stoneskin, Protect, Resonance

I can coun't more then 5 spells/abilites that BRD can choose from their THM and CNJ subs that will aid them greatly in a support role.


It's more about seing it as a whole, what abilities both classes can bring and pick the best suited ones for the task at hand.

You'd find that most all jobs have the same situation with what abilites they can choose from their assigned classes.

I'm not talking about CNJ. I was referring to THM in my OP.

So we are left with Resonance and Necrogenenis.

Will BRD really be nuking with THM spell for HP back? It's equivalent to using Second Wind, so I could see it as useful as an emergency heal.

maybe, if there were subjobs in this game

I said "sub class" in my OP, even placed it in quotations. Not sure if your nitpicking, but sure.

BRD Seems to have high mage stats in addition to it's melee stats, so i find it completely reasonable that a bard will be able to equip nukes from the classes to supplement it's damage capabilities, or support/ buff abilities to further help that role.

That's interesting. If BRD in fact has high mage oriented stats [PIE, MND, INT] as you have mentioned then perhaps the class is optimized for THM offensive magic afterall. It is weird, but SE seems to be breaking the mold anyways. Where did you get that information? I would like to see it myself so that I may show my friend.

[Arcell]

I'm not talking about CNJ. I was referring to THM in my OP.

So we are left with Resonance and Necrogenenis.

Will BRD really be nuking with THM spell for HP back? It's equivalent to using Second Wind, so I could see it as useful as an emergency heal.

And Sanguine Rite, arguably the most useful of the Thaum cross-class spells.

[Syris]

And Sanguine Rite, arguably the most useful of the Thaum cross-class spells.

Guess they could be casting that on the tank seeing as how their class role is bolstering the party. Point noted.

EDIT: Just realized though... BLM / THM has a trait that gives damage mitigation to SR does it not? If so I don't see why the BRD would be using SR on the tank unless you did not have a BLM in the party.

[Krausus]

Guess they could be casting that on the tank seeing as how their class role is bolstering the party. Point noted.

EDIT: Just realized though... BLM / THM has a trait that gives damage mitigation to SR does it not? If so I don't see why the BRD would be using SR on the tank unless you did not have a BLM in the party.

1. If anything but CNJ/WHM uses protect they will not recieve magic defense, so naturaly folks will still want cnj/whm to use it.
2. Sanguine Right can only be cast on other with sacred prism so BLM will not be able to use it on others.

I think most bards will use this set up

Cure, Sacred Prism, Stoneskin, Raise, and either Resonance or Sanguine Right, the tanks i play with generaly dont need Sanguine Right cast on them and with the BRD MP regen song I bet it wont be needed for anyone other than THM/BLM. So IMO the only really useful ability is Resonance for fights like Ifrit.

[Arcell]

1. If anything but CNJ/WHM uses protect they will not recieve magic defense, so naturaly folks will still want cnj/whm to use it.
2. Sanguine Right can only be cast on other with sacred prism so BLM will not be able to use it on others.

I think most bards will use this set up

Cure, Sacred Prism, Stoneskin, Raise, and either Resonance or Sanguine Right, the tanks i play with generaly dont need Sanguine Right cast on them and with the BRD MP regen song I bet it wont be needed for anyone other than THM/BLM. So IMO the only really useful ability is Resonance for fights like Ifrit.

True though Paladin won't be able to use Sanguine Rite by themselves and as a Tank, Sanguine Rite is essentially infinite MP. Paladin will however be using magic of their own and Cure, so the MP is nice. True a Bard could just use the song but it depends on all of the variables we don't know about how the MP song works.

[Krausus]

True though Paladin won't be able to use Sanguine Rite by themselves and as a Tank, Sanguine Rite is essentially infinite MP. Paladin will however be using magic of their own and Cure, so the MP is nice. True a Bard could just use the song but it depends on all of the variables we don't know about how the MP song works.

Yeah I agree and it is hard to tell, gonna be a tough decision with being limited to 5 cross class abilities.

[syntaxlies]

True though Paladin won't be able to use Sanguine Rite by themselves and as a Tank, Sanguine Rite is essentially infinite MP. Paladin will however be using magic of their own and Cure, so the MP is nice. True a Bard could just use the song but it depends on all of the variables we don't know about how the MP song works.

they can use mega ethers

[Firon]

I'm not talking about CNJ. I was referring to THM in my OP.

So we are left with Resonance and Necrogenenis.

Will BRD really be nuking with THM spell for HP back? It's equivalent to using Second Wind, so I could see it as useful as an emergency heal.



I said "sub class" in my OP, even placed it in quotations. Not sure if your nitpicking, but sure.



That's interesting. If BRD in fact has high mage oriented stats [PIE, MND, INT] as you have mentioned then perhaps the class is optimized for THM offensive magic afterall. It is weird, but SE seems to be breaking the mold anyways. Where did you get that information? I would like to see it myself so that I may show my friend.

Even tho arc has high mage stats it doesn't have more int than a pgl and pgl fails @ nuking still.