Destroying Server Economies

[KageTokage]

The only thing that might help is having a data center's crafters collectively go around reporting the obvious bot farmers because SE would have to be totally stupid to not think something is up for these players be getting mass reported.

People do actually get banned for DoL/H botting (As I've seen complaints on the forums associated with said programs), it's just a question of what triggers SE to act on it because not even the botters themselves seem able to pin down a pattern.

[Lersayil]

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Here is something currently happening: The cheapest infusions are on Gilgamesh. The majority are made through the use of bots. Players looking to make easy Gil are buying them from Gilgamesh and relisting them on their servers for as much as they can. Either players buy those relists on their home world and indirectly fund the bots or they compare servers and buy from the bots directly. So yeah, prices are going down, but if you don't care that they come from bots, why not bot yourself and cut out the middleman?

True, but then again we've had botting issues for years now, and the market is yet to crash. I am against bots in principle, but if the next best option is overpriced stuff (by a large margine), I won't stand on that principle. Now it's another question if the cross-shard travel feature will push the botting issue over the edge, but slippery slope arguments and over-exaggerating the issue wont help much.

Botting is an issue that has to be dealt with, but the cross-server market merge (for the moment at least) is a net positive for the majority of people.

[hynaku]

I know hasn't stopped my items listed from being sold. Pretty sure there selling faster now since world visit started up.

[KageTokage]

I feel like doing a full sweep of the data center just for the sake of determining how good/bad each server's situation with the bots is.

I have noticed that they seem reluctant to get settled into crafting gear if there's too much competition from legitimate players, as the ones on my server only really made their move after the number of legit sellers went down. I'm not seeing any obvious activity from them on Gilgamesh where there's a huge amount of people crafting gear.

Infusions on the other hand are very prone to being dominated by them simply because how ridiculously huge of a time investment producing those is compared to doing singular crafts for gear. SE could potentially cut back on the abuse here by simply making them craftable in larger quantities so legit players can keep up with the demand.

[aesteval]

Also an omni crafter think of the gathering and crafting new crafters and old ones gotta do.... plus spending the gil to get melded.. ect ect are time and effort goes into these items and I don't wanna spend 4 hours to make less then 200k on something... servers are servers because there separate world visits takes a min to go compare prices... so are realms economy is being sucked dry.

Omnicrafters exist on all servers and all have had to go through the same process to gear and meld. Other server omnicrafters don't need Diabolos prices to make it worthwhile, neither does anyone on Diabolos.

[LyraKuroneko]

As someone told me in reaction to this thread :

Do a cross-server LS
Name it Scorpion Cartel
Put a lala at the top.

[Aramina]

I know hasn't stopped my items listed from being sold. Pretty sure there selling faster now since world visit started up.

Happening the same to me.

[Iscah]

Generally if the selling price isn't more than the combined sell to vendor price of the mats and a little extra for labor..then it's not profitable. Otherwise you're just arguing over how MUCH margin there should be.

What % of the cost in margin do YOU think is fair?

Default sale price x 100 is my usual rule of thumb for deciding on a fair price, unless the market is way out from that.

[Leloa]

Other than a few items, everything seems the same to me (idk about mats since I'm not a crafting master) but Light server seems to have decent buyers.

[Floortank]

I like to believe that Square Enix has destroyed individual server economies now. i'm an omnicrafter on Diabolos, and no one is going to buy things for the prices crafters have set here because you can get it cheaper on Balmung. It's a HUGE slap to the face. This is the ONLY thing I'm upset about with the update, otherwise the world visiting system is great.

On the other hand, new players are seeing prices for basic gear and items go from exorbitant back down to something reasonable.