Destroying Server Economies

[Ilan]

How dare people be allowed to buy items for affordable prices...

How dare people to complain about prices if they are too lazy to craft that stuff themselfs?

I can understand the people that take advantage of lower prices but i can also understand that people are angry that their prices are ruined now because they also had to pay more to gear up their crafters.

[LaylaTsarra]

Yeah sure lets continue to pay 2 million for piece of high end gear on some servers where others are 400k. Let be sure to maintain that sillyness.

[Rosentretter]

Not even a whole day has passed after this feature being implemented and you're already complaining.

Oh.
My.
God.

Really?

[Nixxe]

Yeah sure lets continue to pay 2 million for piece of high end gear on some servers where others are 400k. Let be sure to maintain that sillyness.

If these prices are adjusted to their respective economies, then their effective value should be roughly equal, even if the nominal price is different. Prior to today, a single gil on a higher pop server has more purchasing power than a single gil on a lower pop server, and thus 400k may seem cheaper, but is going to be roughly the same amount of purchasing power as 2 million gil on that other server. The only place where you get into an issue is where the population gets so low that there's no consistency to supply and demand, which allows for weird situations that don't auto-adjust to crop up, though that can happen with individual items on larger servers as well.

[Seraphor]

If these prices are adjusted to their respective economies, then their effective value should be roughly equal, even if the nominal price is different. Prior to today, a single gil on a higher pop server has more purchasing power than a single gil on a lower pop server, and thus 400k may seem cheaper, but is going to be roughly the same amount of purchasing power as 2 million gil on that other server. The only place where you get into an issue is where the population gets so low that there's no consistency to supply and demand, which allows for weird situations that don't auto-adjust to crop up, though that can happen with individual items on larger servers as well.

This is only true for people partaking in marketboard shenanigans.
For regular non-crafting, non-flipping players, 1gil is 1gil, because all of your gil is obtained through direct involvement with the games systems, not the dynamic marketboard economy.

This is why super inflated markets where those items are 2m instead of 400k are so bad. New players or players who don't have the time or patience for crafting don't stand a goddamn chance.

[Nixxe]

This is only true for people partaking in marketboard shenanigans.
For regular non-crafting, non-flipping players, 1gil is 1gil, because all of your gil is obtained through direct involvement with the games systems, not the dynamic marketboard economy.

This is why supper inflated markets where those items are 2m instead of 400k are so bad. New players or players who don't have the time or patience for crafting don't stand a goddamn chance.

If you don't engage with the marketboard, then it doesn't matter either way. If you engage with the marketboard only to buy, that's your own fault and nobody should feel sorry for you. If you want to purchase other people's time and resources, then you will need to work for it and there's nothing wrong with that. Instead of vendoring stuff you don't want, put it up for sale. It's not difficult. Anyone can do it.

[Seraphor]

If you don't engage with the marketboard, then it doesn't matter either way. If you engage with the marketboard only to buy, that's your own fault and nobody should feel sorry for you. If you want to purchase other people's time and resources, then you will need to work for it and there's nothing wrong with that. Instead of vendoring stuff you don't want, put it up for sale. It's not difficult. Anyone can do it.

The vast majority of items don't make a profit on the marketboard. Which is why crafters dominate it.
It takes the same amount of time to craft something and sell it for 400k, as it does to sell it for 2m.
As I've just demonstrated why your 'purchasing power' argument is false, why should you make 2m while someone else only makes 400k?
Why should someone pay 2m for something that should only cost them 400k?

Why should your 1 hour of crafting time net you 2m, but my 1 hour of crafting time only make me 400k?

Why should Bob on server X purchase this item for 400k, after only 15 hours of dungeon grinding, but I can only purchase the item for 2m after 75 hours of dungeon grinding?

What makes your time worth more than mine?

It’s that simple, and that’s why these disparate economies are such a problem, and why this world visit system will be good for the economies.

[Eriane_Elis]

Yeah sure lets continue to pay 2 million for piece of high end gear on some servers where others are 400k. Let be sure to maintain that sillyness.

You have to consider how long it takes to obtain the mats, then how much effort it took to become a crafter at said level and if cross-class skills were needed then you consider those as well. Then once you're done computing that, you add a bit for yourself. I was pretty shocked to see how cheap everything is in FF14 overall when I first came here. It's like people don't value themselves very much. But after playing for some time, I learned that there are market bots, gathering bots, and bots everywhere. Then there are those who have like 8 characters with 4 retainers each ruling the markets with discord notifications on price changes. I can see why people just give up and put their prices pretty low.

[Malzian]

You have to consider how long it takes to obtain the mats, then how much effort it took to become a crafter at said level and if cross-class skills were needed then you consider those as well. Then once you're done computing that, you add a bit for yourself. I was pretty shocked to see how cheap everything is in FF14 overall when I first came here. It's like people don't value themselves very much. But after playing for some time, I learned that there are market bots, gathering bots, and bots everywhere. Then there are those who have like 8 characters with 4 retainers each ruling the markets with discord notifications on price changes. I can see why people just give up and put their prices pretty low.

For me it's, "Crap... new Expac in 2 months and my retainers are full of crap... Let me see if I can clean this out and still made a little profit in the venture!"

[Enla]

I mean let's be fair here, how much of the population is /actually/ going to actively server hop to find the best prices? People can barely be bothered to buy items from NPC vendors and would prefer the convenience of the marketboard closest to them, even if it comes with a near 5-10x mark up. While yes some people will be world hopping, I doubt it's going to kill any server economy. People are just too lazy for that.