Destroying Server Economies

[Greedkingz]

Also an omni crafter think of the gathering and crafting new crafters and old ones gotta do.... plus spending the gil to get melded.. ect ect are time and effort goes into these items and I don't wanna spend 4 hours to make less then 200k on something... servers are servers because there separate world visits takes a min to go compare prices... so are realms economy is being sucked dry.

[Greedkingz]

Also an omni crafter think of the gathering and crafting new crafters and old ones gotta do.... plus spending the gil to get melded.. ect ect are time and effort goes into these items and I don't wanna spend 4 hours to make less then 200k on something... servers are servers because there separate world visits takes a min to go compare prices... so are realms economy is being sucked dry.

by bulmug who has cheaper prices ect and other servers. we have 75 percent less gil flow then what we usually have now.

[Krotoan]

by bulmug who has cheaper prices ect and other servers. we have 75 percent less gil flow then what we usually have now.

Why are you quoting yourself to continue a thought? You can edit your old post if there is more you wanted to add.

Sure you don't want to spend 4 hours to make less than 200k... but if someone else is willing to on another server then maybe it's time to change focus?

[AxlStream]

And I don't want to pay outrageous prices for raid food and potions which go for like a mil for a stack of 99 on my server. Get wrecked greedy crafters. Maybe now you'll charge for the actual product instead of thinkin you're an artisan.

[Liam_Harper]

And I don't want to pay outrageous prices for raid food and potions which go for like a mil for a stack of 99 on my server. Get wrecked greedy crafters. Maybe now you'll charge for the actual product instead of thinkin you're an artisan.

To be fair, 1 mil for 100 potions isn't much. You need 2 different timed nodes, herbs, then Aethersand from desynthing 450+ collectibility items. You then need a lv70 endgame pentamelded crafter with Master Recipe 6 learned and then crafting a full stack of 99 can take up to an hour. It's not terribly difficult, but it takes some time.

Each craft is a measly 30k. Personally I think non-crafters are the greedy ones for expecting someones time and effort for far cheaper than that.

That's not to say it's unfair prices have dropped lower. I'm fine with that, it's supply and demand and if enough crafters are willing to take less gil due to competition, that's fair. But in the same way if prices skyrocket it's because the vast majority of players can't be bothered going through the effort of crafting their own items and demand far exceeds competition. In that case, high prices are very fair. If you want a highly sought after item (or one in low supply) without any work, you pay the price.

[Angelov-Mercy]

Perhaps this will pose an opportunity for crafters and gatherers to coordinate on ether forum or discord to beat the bot/gold sellers at their own game and squeeze them out of the market by sharing ones going rates, what is available and who is a legitimate gatherer/crafter to actually buy from on the market? We can also get the word out between guilds, new players and hopefully SE to help such a project.

But I know we have to be careful, because some peoples names really do look like a cat walked across the keyboard. Not just those bots.

[Vnolan]

Perhaps this will pose an opportunity for crafters and gatherers to coordinate on ether forum or discord to beat the bot/gold sellers at their own game and squeeze them out of the market

Not possible. Botters don't care how cheap goods sell for.

who is a legitimate gatherer/crafter to actually buy from on the market? We can also get the word out between guilds, new players

The majority don't care because they benefit from them.

hopefully SE to help such a project.

SE really doesn't care.

So the OP's complaint is that players on their server now have more options to buy items from?

Here is something currently happening: The cheapest infusions are on Gilgamesh. The majority are made through the use of bots. Players looking to make easy Gil are buying them from Gilgamesh and relisting them on their servers for as much as they can. Either players buy those relists on their home world and indirectly fund the bots or they compare servers and buy from the bots directly. So yeah, prices are going down, but if you don't care that they come from bots, why not bot yourself and cut out the middleman?

[Lersayil]

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Here is something currently happening: The cheapest infusions are on Gilgamesh. The majority are made through the use of bots. Players looking to make easy Gil are buying them from Gilgamesh and relisting them on their servers for as much as they can. Either players buy those relists on their home world and indirectly fund the bots or they compare servers and buy from the bots directly. So yeah, prices are going down, but if you don't care that they come from bots, why not bot yourself and cut out the middleman?

True, but then again we've had botting issues for years now, and the market is yet to crash. I am against bots in principle, but if the next best option is overpriced stuff (by a large margine), I won't stand on that principle. Now it's another question if the cross-shard travel feature will push the botting issue over the edge, but slippery slope arguments and over-exaggerating the issue wont help much.

Botting is an issue that has to be dealt with, but the cross-server market merge (for the moment at least) is a net positive for the majority of people.

[RitsukoSonoda]

So the OP's complaint is that players on their server now have more options to buy items from?

[KageTokage]

The only thing that might help is having a data center's crafters collectively go around reporting the obvious bot farmers because SE would have to be totally stupid to not think something is up for these players be getting mass reported.

People do actually get banned for DoL/H botting (As I've seen complaints on the forums associated with said programs), it's just a question of what triggers SE to act on it because not even the botters themselves seem able to pin down a pattern.