Destroying Server Economies

[aesteval]

Have a feeling they are working towards systems in the expansion that make botting much harder to do especially with Crafters. They hinted at an endgame crafting system that's the equivalent of raids. Will be interesting to see what they come up with.

Wasn't the "savage" crafting content mentioned in relation to the restoration of Ishgard? Or some other content that would reward like a title and nothing else? They don't want the commodity crafting to be too hard, they want to bring more people into that market for price competition.

[Vahlnir]

I don't think this is really going to destroy anything. Personally I don't think too many people are going to go through the trouble of shopping around different servers for most things. I know I won't. But for those who do some prices may even out which I think was the intention behind this.

[aesteval]

What if they took a system like those mining minigames in the gold saucer. I imagine it's pretty dang hard to bot those successfully. Even harder if they combined it with timed nodes. Just add something very active on high value rare nodes that makes it very difficult if not impossible to bot.

In the beginning of Heavensward we had the favor system for end game gathering. The only thing these sort of things actually impede are actual players. Bots go 24 / 7 and can keep going 24 / 7 even if they lose some efficiency over esoteric mechanics. Players always get hit.

[Vnolan]

Just checked out that new tool and saw the vast majority of infusions on Gilgamesh are being sold by bots lol. Also saw someone buy from a bot and relist on their low-pop server for almost 3x the price.

I don't think this is really going to destroy anything.

Of course not. The problem is a much higher percentage of goods will be acquired through "illegal" means. It's hypocritical for people to be against the use of bots but then look the other way when it can benefit them.

[Vahlnir]

Just checked out that new tool and saw the vast majority of infusions on Gilgamesh are being sold by bots lol. Also saw someone buy from the bot and relist on their low-pop server for almost 3x the price.


Of course not. The problem is a much higher percentage of goods will be acquired through "illegal" means. It's hypocritical for people to be against the use of bots but then look the other way when it can benefit them.

Yeah, they need to get a handle on the bot situation for sure. If anything this made the situation a bit worse. If they weren't such an influence the World Visit system would probably be working swimmingly. I would think that the problem is a lot harder to ignore now on SE's end but they stuck their heads in the sand for years and have yet to resurface so...I doubt things will change.

[kidalutz]

I like to believe that Square Enix has destroyed individual server economies now. i'm an omnicrafter on Diabolos, and no one is going to buy things for the prices crafters have set here because you can get it cheaper on Balmung. It's a HUGE slap to the face. This is the ONLY thing I'm upset about with the update, otherwise the world visiting system is great.

Having seen the prices on Diabolos MB I can only say Lucky Diabolos players nobody should have to pay 3x as much as the second highest mb center.

[KageTokage]

Is there a generally regarded "normal" price for stuff like crafted gear and infusions?

Because 200K for the former and 2.5K for the latter feels like it's leaning into the "not profitable for people who don't bot" territory to me.

[Krotoan]

Is there a generally regarded "normal" price for stuff like crafted gear and infusions?

Because 200K for the former and 2.5K for the latter feels like it's leaning into the "not profitable for people who don't bot" territory to me.

Generally if the selling price isn't more than the combined sell to vendor price of the mats and a little extra for labor..then it's not profitable. Otherwise you're just arguing over how MUCH margin there should be.

What % of the cost in margin do YOU think is fair?

[Iscah]

Generally if the selling price isn't more than the combined sell to vendor price of the mats and a little extra for labor..then it's not profitable. Otherwise you're just arguing over how MUCH margin there should be.

What % of the cost in margin do YOU think is fair?

Default sale price x 100 is my usual rule of thumb for deciding on a fair price, unless the market is way out from that.

[Nixxe]

Is there a generally regarded "normal" price for stuff like crafted gear and infusions?

Because 200K for the former and 2.5K for the latter feels like it's leaning into the "not profitable for people who don't bot" territory to me.

Potions and raid food aren't worth it except maybe right when they first come out. It simply takes too much time to craft enough of them. I'd do 200k on Balmung for crafted gear if I was bored though. Mats generally cost 60-70k to buy off the MB, so you can still get a decent margin. They're just not the best use of time, but typically I want a mix of slower and faster selling things anyway, so if I'm playing the game a lot, I'll do more inefficient things without a second thought.