Destroying Server Economies

[Viralomg]

lol @ people not realizing capitalism is the real enemy.

[Neoyoshi]

People are actually buying my fish now that have been sitting on my Fish retainers for... lord the twelve knows how long.

Yay for destruction!

[supergiz]

I wish SE cared enough about people using their game as a source of income to start filing lawsuits, because pretty much all of the most popular botting programs are sub-based and thus profiting off of their product.




Unfortunately, they can and do regularly bot those games to farm MGP already.

Can't say how efficient they actually are at it, but I'm fairly convinced at this point that if people want to bot something badly enough, they'll find a way to do it.

Not even mendacity mats are off-limits for them, as people are known to actually form parties of bots that spam instances for the sake of farming such.

Even if you can't stop it I imagine they could make it extremely inefficient compared to what they are doing now

[Maneesha]

Even if you can't stop it I imagine they could make it extremely inefficient compared to what they are doing now

it will be the same, since it is a bit luck/skill based, normal ppl who suck on it will also be inefficient. so it will be same as is now.
companys running bots wont care, since they have huge amounts of them which accumulate the wares which gets them the gil. normal players who use bots will play during the day and use the most efficient way like every other player and get the same amount as normal players, during his "afk/off" time he will use the bot and wont care how much he gets,because it will still be more then ppl who dont bot(are offline/afk).
trading/farming bots cant be countered as long as there is any kind of trade in a game. even if there wasnt, you can see they offer leveling services (normal/eureka) and so on. botting will always be a thing.

[supergiz]

it will be the same, since it is a bit luck/skill based, normal ppl who suck on it will also be inefficient. so it will be same as is now.
companys running bots wont care, since they have huge amounts of them which accumulate the wares which gets them the gil. normal players who use bots will play during the day and use the most efficient way like every other player and get the same amount as normal players, during his "afk/off" time he will use the bot and wont care how much he gets,because it will still be more then ppl who dont bot(are offline/afk).
trading/farming bots cant be countered as long as there is any kind of trade in a game. even if there wasnt, you can see they offer leveling services (normal/eureka) and so on. botting will always be a thing.

Yeah that's unfortunate. Hopefully somehow in the future these companies will figure out a surefire way to combat botting effectively.

[Jinpachiro]

Always been against world visit now this even furthers my stance.

[Lozza]

Three months back I was trying to buy armour for an alt I had made to play with a friend who was on Siren (because Siren had RT60 and my friend wanted a speedy catch up). I was playing PLD to get us both fast MSQ queues through the game. When it came time for Stone Vigil I went to the MB and tried to buy some lvl40 HQ crafted armour only to find not only was HQ unavailable, but that NQ cost 300k per piece, and as a newish character even if I had the funds for more that one piece, the brayflox armour had noticeably more defense than the lvl40 NQ set. So I wear the Brayflox into Stone Vigil and that caused a huge stink for a number of players - who wouldn't believe (even after I linked the two chests) that the lvl32 set had more defense than the lvl40 NQ crafted set, and then someone asks why I didn't buy the HQ stuff. They were astounded when I told them that the only HQ piece I'd seen in the last few days of looking was a belt that was listed for 800k, when they learned that the NQ stuff was listed for 300k they offered to craft me a HQ set for free but then realised we weren't on the same server.

As much as you might complain your high margins are being eaten into this change will make low lvl armours like the one I was trying to buy for the sanity of any group I was tanking for in DF easier for new characters to afford. I've moaned myself a number of times about undergeared tanks in various sub-50 instances but I'd never thought for a moment that maybe their gear was an issue because they did not have the funds to buy at the prices that some servers charged for gear. After my own experience I've been a bit more tolerant about it.

[Lersayil]

Three months back I was trying to buy armour for an alt I had made to play with a friend who was on Siren (because Siren had RT60 and my friend wanted a speedy catch up). I was playing PLD to get us both fast MSQ queues through the game. When it came time for Stone Vigil I went to the MB and tried to buy some lvl40 HQ crafted armour only to find not only was HQ unavailable, but that NQ cost 300k per piece, and as a newish character even if I had the funds for more that one piece, the brayflox armour had noticeably more defense than the lvl40 NQ set. So I wear the Brayflox into Stone Vigil and that caused a huge stink for a number of players - who wouldn't believe (even after I linked the two chests) that the lvl32 set had more defense than the lvl40 NQ crafted set, and then someone asks why I didn't buy the HQ stuff. They were astounded when I told them that the only HQ piece I'd seen in the last few days of looking was a belt that was listed for 800k, when they learned that the NQ stuff was listed for 300k they offered to craft me a HQ set for free but then realised we weren't on the same server.

As much as you might complain your high margins are being eaten into this change will make low lvl armours like the one I was trying to buy for the sanity of any group I was tanking for in DF easier for new characters to afford. I've moaned myself a number of times about undergeared tanks in various sub-50 instances but I'd never thought for a moment that maybe their gear was an issue because they did not have the funds to buy at the prices that some servers charged for gear. After my own experience I've been a bit more tolerant about it.

This one is a big nope to me. No one should be expected to have full HQ / dungeon armor pre 50. Even as a tank mostly in level appropriate NQ whites there shouldn't be any real issue assuming normal pulls and a half competent healer.

Also... I don't think anyone sells HQ crafts for that level range to be actually used by people. I think the intended market for that stuff are crafters doing turn-ins, thus the ridiculous price.

[Lozza]

This one is a big nope to me. No one should be expected to have full HQ / dungeon armor pre 50. Even as a tank mostly in level appropriate NQ whites there shouldn't be any real issue assuming normal pulls and a half competent healer.

Also... I don't think anyone makes HQ crafts for that level range to be actually used by people. I think the intended market for that stuff are crafters doing turn-ins, thus the ridiculous price.

Players were complaining about the Brayflox set in Stone Vigil. They'd have been happy with a NQ which I hadn't picked up from quests because I took one look at the defense values and and the fact that only one piece had a whole extra 1 vitality and quickly figured my current set was better than the quest rewards. But apparently even after linking the sets to show that Brayflox was better than NQ, groups were still bothered by my being in Brayflox. My solution to players throwing a fit about seeing a tank in Brayflox gear in SV was to lvl up ARM high enough to craft the lvl40 set (I already had ARM at 30 so it wasn't a hard task) and just glammed it over the Brayflox and the issue disappeared.

As I said, my experience completely changed the way I saw undergeared tanks in pre-50 content. If I couldn't afford a full set of crafted (NQ gear) then other new characters/players may have been in the same position.