Destroying Server Economies

[KageTokage]

With World Visit, if bot farms/botters are not adequately addressed, we might see legitimate crafters/gatherers driven out from the Market Board and the 'competition' for pricing between bot retainers.

This is already happening on a per-server basis.

Almost nobody wants to bother selling crafted gear on my server when there's an omnicrafter bot with surplus stock of everything who has a second account that constantly checks their retainers to relist items when they sell and undercut whenever someone tries to sell at the same or lower price then them.

It's only gotten worse as of late as more omnicrafter bots decided to transfer in a few months ago and are having a price war with each other.

[Krotoan]

Exactly, people keep repeating that gil is useless but really gil is the currency of convenience and time. You can rush level all your crafters in a month or less with sufficient gil, as an example of a lengthy grind which can be avoided with piles of gil.

Great.. you have Max level crafters quickly.. for.. what?

Also, there's this argument that people are mad because their profits are being cut. Sure, there are some people who used to charge absurd prices on lesser populated servers that are mad.

But for crafters like me who are from servers like Balmung, I'm more concerned about bot farms/botters who drive prices so low, no legitimate player wants to compete.

For example gathering bots, even before World Visit, there are well-known gathering bots on Balmung, who gather nearly 24/7. You can tell by the way they drop down on nodes and the janky movement.

They price the stuff that they gather sometimes below 100 gil per item and we are not talking about low level gathering nodes here.

So legitimate gatherers usually try to find other stuff to gather/other niche items and pray that the bots don't catch on. But these niche items end up being temporary and the bots eventually always start gathering those as well.

Then some of the legitimate gatherers move on to crafting and flipping etc. But eventually the impact of botting is felt there as well. E.g. well known crafters who bot.

So.. the price of the harvestable crafting mats becomes generally near Vendor sell prices (if you see someone selling items below vendor prices you should buy them and vendor them for a profit!). And all the crafters out there can now craft items for reasonable mat prices and charge for the HQrotation/time it takes alone.

I really am not on board with the idea that gathering classes are just made to rake in money for putting in time and cycling nodes.

Also, it's not like these bots are just driving prices low, they are often engaged in RMT.

With World Visit, if bot farms/botters are not adequately addressed, we might see legitimate crafters/gatherers driven out from the Market Board and the 'competition' for pricing between bot retainers.

RMT is not our problem, it's Squeenix's. It affects individual , rule abiding players very little.

Driven out... to.. what? Not craft anymore because it's not profitable? Stop the goal of having a huge pile of gil.. for.. reasons?

[Doozer]

Things like this always make me wonder why we have to mimic real life capitalism. Sure you make less money (boohoo) but now things are more accessible to people with less money. And that upsets some of you? Should only the most prestigious people be allowed to have nice things? What do you even need millions and millions of gil for anyway, if everything is dirt cheap?

[Nixxe]

Things like this always make me wonder why we have to mimic real life capitalism. Sure you make less money (boohoo) but now things are more accessible to people with less money. And that upsets some of you? Should only the most prestigious people be allowed to have nice things? What do you even need millions and millions of gil for anyway, if everything is dirt cheap?

The game doesn't mimic real life capitalism. The environment is fundamentally different and actually solves a lot of the problems that free market capitalism has irl. Anyone who wants to become rich can be if they simply invest the time into doing so.

[programcanaan]

dark times for flippers lol

[XiXiQ]

People are lazy. They will use the MB rather than teleporting to an NPC already. It's hard to believe everyone will be spending an hour zooming from world to world for every purchase. Prices will equalise, not just drop.

[NessaWyvern]

I don't have anyone to run PotD with, and since I have no experience with deep PotD, no parties will have me XD so I'll end up buying it eventually, just gonna be a lot harder for me and others with everything tanking in price.
Also houses, gonna be harder for newer people to get money for houses now.

[KageTokage]

I'm mad because they're cheating and because they're lowering the profit margin for people who don't already have a mountain of gil to sit on.

I haven't bothered competing with them ever since I realized niche markets both reduce my competition from undercutters and can get me more gil for less time investment.

[Krotoan]

I'm mad because they're cheating and because they're lowering the profit margin for people who don't already have a mountain of gil to sit on.

I haven't bothered competing with them ever since I realized niche markets both avoid the issue of undercutters and can get me more gil for less time investment.

What are you going to do with your mountain of gil once you've built it?

[KageTokage]

Large houses are the biggest meaningful investment you can make with gil and you'd be surprised at how many people can't afford a medium still.

This is going to be especially relevant with a new housing district being introduced in ShB.