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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoo View Post
    Bard will not have to move for a good time whilst the first 3 mobs are being killed. I assume this will be plenty of time to regain MP. The only reason I say that long range is necessary is due to the fact of 1 member's distand seperation from the group means no links when pulling. The rudamentary mockup I gave earlier displays the necessity for a longer ranged attack.

    If a BRD is of appropriate level to be pulling from a worthwhile group of EXP mobs, then absolutely death is a threat. Having 4-5 Lv50 Ixali on your little Lv40 frame is going to hurt quickly.

    I'm sure that Utsusemi for Bard will give it some advantages for survival, but does Second Wind favored to PGL make it invincible? Does Life Surge mean a Lancer can never die? A bit thin for examples, but I hope you can follow what I'm trying to say.
    Wait, I'm a bit confused. In the first paragraph you say that the reason why the puller is so far away from the rest of the group is so s/he can pull one mob at a time, but at the same time describe you killing multiple mobs. In a situation when you only wanted to pull a single mob but you liked multiple, you can easily leash the mobs back in place, which is a big contrast compared to FFXI where multiple links usually meant death for the puller. Not that it always works, of course (such as the potential problem of running into an entirely different group of mobs in an attempt to run away).

    Also, if you're fighting lv50 mobs at lv40, you're doing something very very wrong. It's way more cost effective to fight mobs 3~4 levels above you rather than 10, even in a PT. Quantity over quality.

    Also, comparing Utsusemi to Second Wind and Life Surge is bit of a stretch because Utsuemi's potential far exceeds those two abilities. The biggest strength of Utsusemi was guaranteed evasion, no matter how strong it is. Theoretically speaking, this means that you can evade the Guardian of the Grove's attack (9999 damage) at least three times. Or any other lv90+ mobs roaming around areas like Mor Dohna for that matter. The other two abilities don't even come close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislaw View Post
    Wait, I'm a bit confused. In the first paragraph you say that the reason why the puller is so far away from the rest of the group is so s/he can pull one mob at a time, but at the same time describe you killing multiple mobs. In a situation when you only wanted to pull a single mob but you liked multiple, you can easily leash the mobs back in place, which is a big contrast compared to FFXI where multiple links usually meant death for the puller. Not that it always works, of course (such as the potential problem of running into an entirely different group of mobs in an attempt to run away).

    Also, if you're fighting lv50 mobs at lv40, you're doing something very very wrong. It's way more cost effective to fight mobs 3~4 levels above you rather than 10, even in a PT. Quantity over quality.

    Also, comparing Utsusemi to Second Wind and Life Surge is bit of a stretch because Utsuemi's potential far exceeds those two abilities. The biggest strength of Utsusemi was guaranteed evasion, no matter how strong it is. Theoretically speaking, this means that you can evade the Guardian of the Grove's attack (9999 damage) at least three times. Or any other lv90+ mobs roaming around areas like Mor Dohna for that matter. The other two abilities don't even come close.
    Okay, where was I. The puller is so far from the group so that they may either simply turn and pull from the next group, or jog out a few steps only to do so. Pull > Sleep > PLD /ra > Kill > PLD /ra > Kill > PLD /ra > Kill > PT takes last of 4 as BRD is preparing to buff and pull again.

    I understand that a mob from the high end of a ten-level spread is going to hit pretty hard, but we also have the ability to gain max EXP from that level gap.
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