Request for Utsusemi

[Xoo]

It was negligible. The enmity lost by a NIN on a multi-hit mob WS was infinitely better than the HP lost by a PLD tank on the same mob WS.

SE tried to balance Utsusemi several times and failed each time. it had some minor faults, but it was still by far and large the best defensive skill in the game.

Either way, I think we can agree that Paladin had its time to shine as well as Ninja. Utsusemi didn't bury Paladin, so stop talking as if it did.

[Wolfie]

Either way, I think we can agree that Paladin had its time to shine as well as Ninja. Utsusemi didn't bury Paladin, so stop talking as if it did.

I will keep talking as if it did, because it did. PLD was a second rate tank for everything except the dozen HNMs where it eeked out a victory over NIN. You haven't yet showed me any proof that PLD was on equal footing with NIN, and i have hard numbers that showed that NIN was faring better than PLD.

[Firon]

I will keep talking as if it did, because it did. PLD was a second rate tank for everything except the dozen HNMs where it eeked out a victory over NIN. You haven't yet showed me any proof that PLD was on equal footing with NIN, and i have hard numbers that showed that NIN was faring better than PLD.

lol no you did not, like i said PLD/NIN took less dmg than nin no matter what you say and did more dmg. Ill say it again Atonement was better than Blade: Jin vs every high lvl mob in the game.

[Wolfie]

lol no you don't like i said PLD/NIN took less dmg than nin no matter what you say and did more dmg.

You don't judge a tank on a single criteria in a single scenario. Please tell me you're not serious with this reply.

[Xoo]

I will keep talking as if it did, because it did. PLD was a second rate tank for everything except the dozen HNMs where it eeked out a victory over NIN. You haven't yet showed me any proof that PLD was on equal footing with NIN, and i have hard numbers that showed that NIN was faring better than PLD.

For one, because I'm not talking about FFXI, Ninja OR Paladin - for the 832948923489th time. And all of a sudden you went from 8 NM's to 12. Randomly increase argument by a factor of 4!

[Wolfie]

For one, because I'm not talking about FFXI, Ninja OR Paladin - for the 832948923489th time. And all of a sudden you went from 8 NM's to 12. Randomly increase argument by a factor of 4!

It's not a "factor of 4", that's multiplying by 4.

And I said "like" a dozen. I'm not claiming 100% accuracy in the numbers of HNMs that PLD outranked NIN on, because I'm not sure of that. What I am sure of, though, is that NIN outranked PLD on the overwhelming majority of end-game situations, including non-HNM end-game.

Can you come up with some counter points that aren't strawmen?

[Xoo]

It's not a "factor of 4", that's multiplying by 4.

And I said "like" a dozen. I'm not claiming 100% accuracy in the numbers of HNMs that PLD outranked NIN on, because I'm not sure of that. What I am sure of, though, is that NIN outranked PLD on the overwhelming majority of end-game situations, including non-HNM end-game.

Can you come up with some counter points that aren't strawmen?

Unfortunately, I cannot because I could not care less about your points since they do not address why giving Bard Utsusemi is a good/bad idea. How is it possible that you can derive that my arguments are straw man? You can't even comprehend a five-word sentence. o.O