Request for Utsusemi

[Firon]

90% of content was placed into easy-mode with an evasion tank and medium/hard mode with a blood tank, 10% vice versa. Come on man, use your brain for once.



Are you serious?

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/gui...nsus/10/2.html

Ninja 5.43%, Paladin 3.83%.

Don't come up with bulls**t 50-50 statistics and false dichotomies.




Irrelevant, what decided the importance of a tank in FFXI was how much damage they took over time. NIN beat the crap out of PLD for practically everything except some really serious HNMs.

When was the last time you played XI before lvl cap raise for real NIN was not tanking Cerb Khimera or any of the SEA bosses idk what game you was playing but it certainly wasn't XI.

[Wolfie]

When was the last time you played XI before lvl cap raise for real NIN was not tanking Cerb Khimera or any of the SEA bosses idk what game you was playing but it certainly wasn't XI.

No, I never claimed that NIN was tanking the hardest hitting HNMs of the bunch. Those were indeed reserved for PLD/WAR, PLD/NIN and the rare PLD/DRK.

But NIN was tanking everything else, AND the exp parties that led up to end-game. You really need to get rid of this poor habit of not actually reading what I say and claiming that I said things I never did.

[Chardrizard]

Somehow I seriously doubt this, because for everything except Cerberus/Tiamat/Vrtra/PW/[insert 5 hour long HNM here], people grabbed NINs to tank.

Eh i think it came down to your LS preferences, some LS have better NINs some have better PLDs, my LS usually does things with PLD/NIN because we only have 1-2 reliable tank NINs at disposal due to our LS size.

[Firon]

Somehow I seriously doubt this, because for everything except Cerberus/Tiamat/Vrtra/PW/[insert 5 hour long HNM here], people grabbed NINs to tank.

Your talking to a pld main in XI who had an Aegis who did end game for 6 years and competed vs other ls. NEVER seen a nin tank for any of those mobs cause a nin would die if they ever got hit by one of those mobs with no shadows up. Also no one is using thf on these bosses and NIN dmg was ass on these said bosses. You never fought any of these mobs.

You See these pld/nin tanking cerb in this vid... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQSmb8bEgIM

[Xoo]

90% of content was placed into easy-mode with an evasion tank and medium/hard mode with a blood tank, 10% vice versa. Come on man, use your brain for once.

You mean 90% of mobs didn't use AoE abilities/magic that either wiped or negated shadows? Is it the job or the mob? I don't have to use my brain on these forums.

Are you serious?

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/gui...nsus/10/2.html

Ninja 5.43%, Paladin 3.83%.

Don't come up with bulls**t 50-50 statistics and false dichotomies.

I see that BLM is at the top of this list. Guess I missed the part where Dark Seal was THE SHIT for tanking, etc.

Irrelevant, what decided the importance of a tank in FFXI was how much damage they took over time. NIN beat the crap out of PLD for practically everything except some really serious HNMs.

Again, the job or the mob?

[Wolfie]

Eh i think it came down to your LS preferences, some LS have better NINs some have better PLDs, my LS usually does things with PLD/NIN because we only have 1-2 reliable tank NINs at disposal due to our LS size.

I agree with this to a point. PLD was generally easier to work with if you didn't have a geared NIN tank. The LSes that were on my server, however, all had geared NIN tanks (luckily or unluckily, whatever you think), and PLDs were not used on the server at all except for the hardest HNMs and in smaller LSes that were trying to catch up.

The reason is because a skilled or well geared NIN tank was better than PLD in practically every situation except the hard NMs, mostly thanks to Utsusemi. Less damage taken, more damage dealt, and the enmity generated was enough to keep monsters off the DDs. And they doubled as DPS in the rare case where more tanks showed up for content than needed.

[Wolfie]

You mean 90% of mobs didn't use AoE abilities/magic that either wiped or negated shadows? Is it the job or the mob? I don't have to use my brain on these forums.

Yeah, mobs used skills that wiped shadows. It didn't matter, because the NIN could get his secondary Utsusemi skill back up before the mob resumed standard auto-attacks, and nothing serious happened.

I see that BLM is at the top of this list. Guess I missed the part where Dark Seal was THE SHIT for tanking, etc.

Please don't tell me you're being serious with this line, because if you are, I'm going to go on a f**king rampage. You can't possibly believe that this is a logical, reasonable response to anything.

Again, the job or the mob?

This is more relevant in a sense, because now you're getting closer to the root of the issue. The majority of fights in FFXI favored NIN tanks, both because of monster attack mechanics and NIN defense mechanics. Just because a few fights favored PLD tanks does not mean that the two were on equal grounds.

[Firon]

I agree with this to a point. PLD was generally easier to work with if you didn't have a geared NIN tank. The LSes that were on my server, however, all had geared NIN tanks (luckily or unluckily, whatever you think), and PLDs were not used on the server at all except for the hardest HNMs and in smaller LSes that were trying to catch up.

The reason is because a skilled or well geared NIN tank was better than PLD in practically every situation except the hard NMs, mostly thanks to Utsusemi. Less damage taken, more damage dealt, and the enmity generated was enough to keep monsters off the DDs. And they doubled as DPS in the rare case where more tanks showed up for content than needed.

Last time i'm gonna respond to this but PLD/NIN beat nin in every way lol Atonement > every nin ws vs hnm's for dmg. Pld had an easier time getting shadows up cause flash and shield traits which stopped spells from getting interrupted, more hp, more surviving skills, generated more hate from flash, and they could match nin in haste gear....

[Xoo]

Wolfie, yanno, maybe I'd be a bit more serious and even bothered if your head blows off your neck or you kick a few kittens if you would simply address the OP and not FFXI. Deal?

[Wolfie]

Last time i'm gonna respond to this but PLD/NIN beat nin in every way lol Atonement > every nin ws vs hnm's for dmg. Pld had an easier time getting shadows up cause flash and shield traits which stopped spells from getting interrupted, more hp, more surviving skills, generated more hate from flash, and they could match nin in haste gear....

Dude, what part of "PLD was the better tank for HNMs" do you not get? Have I not said that like 10 f**king times already? PLD/WAR and PLD/NIN were the go-to tanks for the hardest hitting NMs because the tank needed high HP and defense.

The rest of end-game, which included Dynamis, Limbus, Salvage, lesser HNMs, KSNM, Sky, some tier1 and tier2 Sea NMs, and practically everything else was better with a NIN tank. Can you get this through your head?