i didnt lvl using fish to sand recipes at all in that instance those should have been removed or moved to alchemy ; thats far too easy a way to lvl and shouldnt exist. You still need 7+ items to makes pie(s) etc. same as before. So those pies better be 20xs better. They stated in a previous post that they would be adjusting the amounts of ingredients per snyth i dont see any sign of that.