A complaint from a whiny healer

[Aurelius2625]

With leveling dungeons, if you are synched down your gear is actually weaker than white gear. So no, you are not stronger, iirc.

You also dont have all of your traits and abilities, further weakening you. Goes for tank as well.

Honestly for thos staying in tank stance is fine. But any max level dungeon? Nope.jpg never gonna happen.

[Canadane]

I feel as if these forums encourage people too much to not use tank stance. What I hope to encourage people to do is to use tank stance more, and I'm not just talking about large mob trash pulls, i'm talking about bosses.

I think a lot of people miss the context that we exclude levelling dungeons with this ideal.
You mentioned your tank wasn't up to ilvl. The dungeons that don't have a minimum ilvl is levelling dungeons. The level cap dungeons are fine for liberal use of offensive stance. Levelling dungeons are not recommended to do this unless you know what you're doing and your party is up to snuff.

[Renthas]

Can't wait to do the level 75 dungeon and see that humbling, hard gear reset.

I wouldn't mind a Bardam's 2.0 so long as all the tanks have adequate mitigation for it. *cough*DRK*cough*

The point I'm trying to make is don't be afraid to use tank stance if you need to. It seems to me these forums label any tank who stays in tank stances as a "bad" tank. But, I argue depending on the circumstances you could be a great tank staying in tank stance. Anyone leveling a tank might feel pressured from other people to not use tank stance, and I want to reassure people that you aren't a bad tank if you have to use tank stance on bosses while leveling up.

Ah, while leveling I would certainly want to leave my tank stance on. That shit hurts BAD without max level abilities as DRK. However, at 70 I view tank stance as more of a crutch and I would encourage people to use it as little as possible. If they do have to use it though, that's fine since they likely aren't doing any serious raiding.

[Ftail]

Ah, while leveling I would certainly want to leave my tank stance on. That shit hurts BAD without max level abilities as DRK. However, at 70 I view tank stance as more of a crutch and I would encourage people to use it as little as possible. If they do have to use it though, that's fine since they likely aren't doing any serious raiding.

I agree with you 100% on this. I'm happy we are on the same page.

[Ftail]

I think a lot of people miss the context that we exclude levelling dungeons with this ideal.
You mentioned your tank wasn't up to ilvl. The dungeons that don't have a minimum ilvl is levelling dungeons. The level cap dungeons are fine for liberal use of offensive stance. Levelling dungeons are not recommended to do this unless you know what you're doing and your party is up to snuff.

This is the conversation I'm trying to start. A lot of people do miss the context that we exclude leveling dungeons. I've seen a lot of blanket statements on these forums like, "Only a bad tank stays in tank stance". Then we have people new to tanking leveling up that take those words as gospel.

[Ftail]

With leveling dungeons, if you are synched down your gear is actually weaker than white gear. So no, you are not stronger, iirc.

You also dont have all of your traits and abilities, further weakening you. Goes for tank as well.

Honestly for thos staying in tank stance is fine. But any max level dungeon? Nope.jpg never gonna happen.

That's interesting, I'm not really sure how level syncing in dungeon works. Quick question if you know the answer to this: do you know when synced down if your gear is averaged as a whole or is each piece brought down?

Also I'm not against tanks switching out of tank stance for max level dungeons or savage content. The best tank I know Darkness, back when I savage raided he was pulling over 3k DPS, back when the DPS were pulling around 4k-5k DPS. He switched in and out of tank stance constantly, it was freaking awesome.

[Lyth]

Unfortunately, players love backseat tanking. Some people will call you bad for using tank stance. Some people will call you bad for not using it. At the end of the day, you have to make a judgement call based on your comfort level, your knowledge of the fight, and your team's needs. Nobody else can make that decision for you. They can make suggestions, but the final call is yours to make.

It seems to me that you had expectations on how your tank should play, and your tank felt differently about the matter. It wasn't about "respecting" your teammate's decision and giving them the "freedom" to use tank stance or not. It was about trying to dictate what they should or shouldn't do. If you have strong opinions about tanking, the best solution is to get into the driver's seat yourself.

[gumas]

for op, you manage to keep everyone alive and that is good.

dps is good but remember your role as healer is to keep everyone alive and well.

[KingFrost]

To be honest, having a tank use tank stance on trash pulls and turn it off for bosses is a pretty conservative way of playing, to begin with.

So what's the s the standard way? No tank stance? I'm genuinely asking as a new DRK. Thought big pulls necessitated grit. Guess not then?

[shao32]

So what's the s the standard way? No tank stance? I'm genuinely asking as a new DRK. Thought big pulls necessitated grit. Guess not then?

The standard is pull in tank stance to generate enough enmity and then switch to dps stance-non stance as soon as possible, this usually only takes 1 agro combo executed properly with you oGCD.

Stay on tank stance more time that you need hurt you DPS and you contribution to the party and you defensive kit grant you enough mitigation and versatility to cover the lack of tank stance mitigation, only in mass pulling is consider ok to stay full time in tank stance if you are not good enough to turn it off and sustain yourself with WAR and DRK, PLD stay on shield on mass pulling.

Things like Eureka are another world.