Why not own this fixation on DPS?

[Veis_Alveare]

Having a single job that heals through damage wouldn't work in this game at all.
If it produces as much healing as the other healers but more damage, then it makes the other healers obsolete
If it produces less healing than the other healers, then it becomes useless on fights where that healing is needed. This latter outcome is less likely since damage taken in this game is generally too low, but it'd be a balancing nightmare either way.

However, if every healing job follows this healing through damage model, then this issue disappears.

The idea is a healer with comperable dps output and healing output to the other healers, not being over or under powered in either respect. I'm not sure where this cognitive disconnect is coming from.

Think of dpsing on this theoretical new healer as it's version of Aetherflow. You can play SCH in casual content without Aetherflow I guess but it's going to suck and you're making your life much more difficult since Aetherflow does things like give you access to more potent and varied heals and restores your MP.

You could play this healer without dpsing but by doing so you would lose access to some portions of your kit because you wouldn't have the resource (whatever it might be charges/gague/potency/etc) to do nearly as well.

Literally a healer with "I need to do damage" as it's gimmick. That's all people are suggesting. Not "I do more damage and less healing" or whatever you guys are getting caught up on.

[LazyTitan87]

I’ve suggested this and it was shot down as not fair to the other healers. Or it would be a weak healer that no one wants. Personally I loved this playstyle like that of the chloromancer from Rift.

Apologies if I don't get this exactly correct, but what I remember from rift with cloromancer is that it became the dominant healer, to the point where you'd take it for the extra damage and healing over anything else in PvE content. That's one thing I don't like about the damage to heal paradigm. If its too good, the other healers (or souls in Rift's case) get pushed out. Yeah, it can be balanced, but the developers actually have to do it.

[Lyth]

I don't see a good reason why this couldn't work. It's just comes down to dps uptime.

If you take a job like SCH, for example, you have a plethora of oGCD heals, fairy heals, and some fairly powerful barriers that can be applied during phase changes that don't decay in strength over time. These things grant you more dps uptime because you don't have to spend that time on GCD heals. Linking dps and healing is an alternative way of boosting dps uptime. You only start to run into problems when there is a discrepancy between how much dps uptime the jobs get (or if there are discrepancies in raid buffs) - both of which are a problem right now, anyways.

[Selova]

I dont know if you realise that this is a very bad idea. But yeah it's a very bad idea. if Healing was based off of DPS output there'd be so many deaths the game would become unplayable. See the issue theres already more than enough healers that overcast damage and dont heal enough to even keep the tank alive. Think how much worse it would be if those healers that actually heal were now dependent entirely on damage making thier healing more potent. there'd be even less healing happening when it needed to happen and the queue time would go up because nobody would want to tank at that point.

WoWs disc priest says hello. That's literally the class you're asking for. Considering how much consistent damage there is in WoWs raid encounters and the fact that the new dps disc priest was such a monstrous healer means if a similar functioning job or redesign was added into FFXIV it would be fine.

I even recall some point during legion there being video of a disc priest solo healing mythic Argus which is the equivalent of any of our healers solo healing Ucob or UwU. I think it would be a welcomed change honestly, dps disc priest healing was was was a lot of fun.

[Brandedblade]

Back when people where praying for dancer to be a healer I played with the idea of it being a healer that could use melee dps combos to build up resources that they spent on their ogcd heals. While also having access to a set of stances, one that made their melee combo come out faster and gave them additional resources on crits, and one that allowed their gcd heals and their ranged attack to build said resource for scenarios where mechanics force them out of melee.

The idea being that they still would get more out if they fought in melee but would not be screwed over if forced out of melee to handle mechanics. Even emphasizing this by giving them a gap closer and a leap back that would also instantly switch you to your appropriate stance when used. It was fun to speculate, but mb a concept like that could work for a cleric style healer with like a mace or something?

[Beeftotem]

WoWs disc priest says hello. That's literally the class you're asking for. Considering how much consistent damage there is in WoWs raid encounters and the fact that the new dps disc priest was such a monstrous healer means if a similar functioning job or redesign was added into FFXIV it would be fine.

I even recall some point during legion there being video of a disc priest solo healing mythic Argus which is the equivalent of any of our healers solo healing Ucob or UwU. I think it would be a welcomed change honestly, dps disc priest healing was was was a lot of fun.

The problem with how disc worked in legion was its complexity. Compared to all the other healers it was a complicated spec to play because it was not a reactive healer. Playing it well ment knowing mechanics and setting up to prevent the damage. It was a nightmare most of the way through legion, esp in dungeons or in content where the party would take damage. People have a hard time adjusting to the concept of non reactionary healers, and with just how much changed between legion and bfa and the endless balance changes disc get proves they are also a pain to balance.

[kidalutz]

WoWs disc priest says hello. That's literally the class you're asking for. Considering how much consistent damage there is in WoWs raid encounters and the fact that the new dps disc priest was such a monstrous healer means if a similar functioning job or redesign was added into FFXIV it would be fine.

I even recall some point during legion there being video of a disc priest solo healing mythic Argus which is the equivalent of any of our healers solo healing Ucob or UwU. I think it would be a welcomed change honestly, dps disc priest healing was was was a lot of fun.

We have the *points at Scholar* Sheilds check High DPS output Check.

[SleepyNeko]

I don't think healers are expected to do as much dps as possible. I think it is expected that healers don't stand around doing nothing when noone needs healing.

[Veis_Alveare]

I don't think healers are expected to do as much dps as possible. I think it is expected that healers don't stand around doing nothing when noone needs healing.

Those are the same thing.

Unless rather than casting a damage spell you want to cast a healing spell when people are at full health which... just doesn't make any sense.

[SleepyNeko]

Those are the same thing.

Unless rather than casting a damage spell you want to cast a healing spell when people are at full health which... just doesn't make any sense.

No they are not the same thing, I'm referring to the most common complaint about healers is that they are standing around doing nothing - meaning they are not healing or dpsing and just waiting for the tank's health to drop and health again.

My comment is saying that there is a difference from expecting MAX dps from healers (from the OP's first comment) to expecting at least some effort into using your dps skills. My point being that I don't expect perfect dps rotation and uptime from a healer, but I expect them to do some dps when they are doing nothing else.