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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    look, man, if you'd rather cherrypick than use basic reading comprehension, thats on you not on me. you asked for where i saw differing playstles and where it said the party is allowed to remove other players they dont wish to play with and i gave it to you. heck, the third one literally says verbatim "this feature is in place for a party to collectively decide whom they wish to play with."

    personally, i dont really care what those players think. they can report at their leisure if they get kicked, if something happens as a result then it happens. but in my personal experience it doesn't.

    my entire stance in this near 50 page thread is "if the party doesnt want to play with you, they dont have to. if they ask you to try something and youre unwilling to attempt it, you shouldnt be surprised that they may decide to kick you." youre applying weird motivations to me that i havent said. never said anything about requiring healer dps and honesty havent said anything about big pulls other than in the OP's context (which again boils down to working with your party if theyre asking you to do so).
    thing is, you said that was an old response, the new TOS says that even talking about forcing a playstyle maybe actionable, so kicking for playstyle may not be a thing anymore. i'll look for the quotes, sec.

    ■Nuisance behaviour
    "Nuisance behaviour" means speech or behaviour that hurts others or obstructs game play, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed.

    Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of nuisance behaviour:

    ◆Offensive expression
    "Offensive expression" means an expression in general that inflicts emotional distress by being offensive to another person. Offensive expression may include:

    ・Aggressive expressions such as violent language/slander/insult/threat.
    ・Expressions that provoke or belittle another person, such as excessive criticism, negation/ridicule
    ・Expressions that significantly lack consideration for another person
    ・Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion
    ・Expressions that any reasonable person would find offensive
    ・Expressions that compel a playing style
    ・Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, etc.
    (Except when in accordance with rules set by an administrator such as a Free Company Master)
    ・Expressions that contravene public order and morals
    ・Other expressions that are offensive to another person



    so, expressions that compel a playingstyle are nuisance behavior, which if it is found to be extremely hurtful, or obstructive can lead to action.

    here they explain some obstructive behavior, which on its own is actionable.


    ◆Obstruction of play
    "Obstruction of play" means all behaviour in general that obstructs another person's game play. Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of obstruction of play:

    ・Spamming
    This means using chat (including Quick Chat and Emote) to obstruct another person's conversation, or obstruct the use of mog letters, etc., for example, by sending an excessive number of unnecessary items in mog letters, etc. Even if obstruction was not the objective of the behaviour, it may be deemed a violation if another player is actually obstructed by the behaviour.

    ・Obstructing transit/progress
    This means obstructive behaviour such as group blocking of passages or facilities along which many players pass or obstructing another person's game play progress, for example by overlapping an important NPC deliberately for a long time.

    ・Improper expulsion voting
    This means excluding another person by manipulation of expulsion voting.

    ・Intentional leaving or disconnection
    This means obstructing another person's game play by intentionally leaving the game or disconnecting from the server.

    ・Other obstruction of play
    This means all other behaviour that deliberately obstructs another person's game play by some means.
    i think kicking someone from an instance is on par, especially if leaving the party can be seen as obstructive.

    seems the gms probably needed more in the TOS to cover them taking action.


    also id like to point out, premades in discord kicking some guy to get their discord guy in, is pretty much manipulation of expulsion voting. Which is one reading of the story in the OP.
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    Last edited by Physic; 04-24-2019 at 05:27 AM.