Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[WaterShield]

All I was pointing out is that large group pulls aren't absolutely, 100% better/faster than single group pulling, like was being claimed. It's never a good idea to make an absolute claim like some have been doing, because there's no such thing in reality.

And where did you get the idea I was implying that "the stars have to be aligned"? Did you even read the conclusion of that post? Here it is again:

That's a lot of "ifs". The fact of the matter is that single group pulls (not single target killing) can be just as fast as group pulls depending on the situation. If enough of the "ifs" aren't met in large group pulling, it can take quite a long time to down the mobs.

Bolded the relevant parts. I never claimed if you just screw one tiny thing up it messes up the whole thing.

They are absolutely 100% better/faster than single group pulling full stop.

If the group is doing the stuff you are suggesting? Then they will have the same issues with small pulls and will be slow regardless. This is not down to the method used but their lack of basic reading comprehension and the ability to press 1-3 buttons.

[hydralus]

They are absolutely 100% better/faster than single group pulling full stop.

If the group is doing the stuff you are suggesting? Then they will have the same issues with small pulls and will be slow regardless. This is not down to the method used but their lack of basic reading comprehension and the ability to press 1-3 buttons.

Unless we're talking lower level dungeons where people don't even have AoEs to utilize. Doing brayflox with a PLD, WHM, DRG and NIN for example you may as well pull 1 group at a time. Granted those are niche situations.

[WaterShield]

Unless we're talking lower level dungeons where people don't even have AoEs to utilize. Doing brayflox with a PLD, WHM, DRG and NIN for example you may as well pull 1 group at a time. Granted those are niche situations.

We aren't though? This discussion has been hyper focused on endgame dungeons... where things hit like wet noodles? I have even mentioned previously that leveling dungeons are treated differently because things can kill you much easier there.

Edit: post cap

My mistake, then. I do scream inwardly a bit when a tank is sitting at 100% health with a regen and they're pulling 1 pack at a time. Thankfully it has been very rare to run into that.

This is the situation that upsets me, and as it is so rare to run in to, I maintain that it is acceptable to expect that it won't happen.

[hydralus]

We aren't though? This discussion has been hyper focused on endgame dungeons... where things hit like wet noodles? I have even mentioned previously that leveling dungeons are treated differently because things can kill you much easier there.

My mistake, then. I do scream inwardly a bit when a tank is sitting at 100% health with a regen and they're pulling 1 pack at a time. Thankfully it has been very rare to run into that.

[Aramina]

Unless we're talking lower level dungeons where people don't even have AoEs to utilize. Doing brayflox with a PLD, WHM, DRG and NIN for example you may as well pull 1 group at a time. Granted those are niche situations.

I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone is speaking within the context of leveling dungeons. Everything I have seen is focused solely on end-game dungeons.