Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Physic]

Why do you keep touting this like it is fact when you have been shown that it is the exact opposite. Your opinion does not matter, the GMs have clearly stated playstyle difference IS an acceptable reason for a kick. Repeating an untruth does not make it truth.

if they initially intended it to be a reason, it would be in the menu, and they wouldnt tell people improper kicks would be punished.

you can be certain a rule that is not listed anywhere, and you can only find out after reporting, is not going to be understood as valid by the majority of the people who use the kick feature.

Vote Dismiss
Vote dismiss is a function whereby players who are absent for extended periods or harass others can be democratically expelled from the party.
* Please be warned that unjustified usage of vote dismiss is a punishable act.

this is how people interacting with vote dismiss are officially told it is to be used. Playstyle is an exception case offered for a specific instance, during heavensward, before they changed the TOS to be less tolerant.

[Physic]

Because sadly, most of humanity bases their beliefs off of feelings rather than provable fact.

They feel it is wrong, therefore it is. Any information that challenges their original beliefs will be explained away, or ignored.

Basic human nature.

In fact some study's have shown that disproving someone's beliefs, may actually cause them to become even more adamant about their mistaken belief. Humanity..... we're doomed.

its a fact that ingame, and in the na guide, they tell you how they expect vote dismiss to be used. One Gms response to a specific incident 2 years ago, does not mean SE always intended it to be used one way.

Even if its the case they always intended it to be used this way, its a bad implementation, because they never tell anyone to use it that way, they never explain what consitutes playstyle, and they inconsistently enforce it, sometimes taking action, and sometimes not.

[Aramina]

if they initially intended it to be a reason, it would be in the menu, and they wouldnt tell people improper kicks would be punished.

you can be certain a rule that is not listed anywhere, and you can only find out after reporting, is not going to be understood as valid by the majority of the people who use the kick feature.







this is how people interacting with vote dismiss are officially told it is to be used. Playstyle is an exception case offered for a specific instance, during heavensward, before they changed the TOS to be less tolerant.

Once again, repeating an untruth does not make it truth. Just because it is not one of the options does not mean it is not a valid reason, as per the GM. Unless you are in the position where your opinion is somehow more valid than the official position of the GMs you. are. wrong.

[Physic]

Oh for sure, and I am probably a victim of that as much as anyone, I just try to not cross the line of being shown that I am wrong. It'd be one thing if it were just two sides with one saying "it's a valid reason" and "it's not a valid reason", but when it gets to a GM (who are responsible for upholding the rules) saying "it's legit".... it's time to pack it in. Lol. I am all for discussion and debate of opinions, but objective fact trumps it

gms make a judgement call. They dont enforce that rule consistently, its up to the interpretation of the gm, and the events that lead up to it.

[Physic]

Once again, repeating an untruth does not make it truth. Just because it is not one of the options does not mean it is not a valid reason, as per the GM. Unless you are in the position where your opinion is somehow more valid than the official position of the GMs you. are. wrong.

my point wasnt that it was invalid, my point was that it was not how it was designed to be used, and not how players are told to use the function. The first is extrapolation, but the second is fact.


If they in fact intend most people to use it to kick for playstyle, its a horrible implementation.


also, have you seen the post linking the more recent TOS?

which states expressions compelling a playstyle maybe actionable if they hurt or obstruct?

its in direct opposition to that two year old response

[Mavrias]

my point wasnt that it was invalid, my point was that it was not how it was designed to be used, and not how players are told to use the function. The first is extrapolation, but the second is fact.


If they in fact intend most people to use it to kick for playstyle, its a horrible implementation.


also, have you seen the post linking the more recent TOS?

which states expressions compelling a playstyle maybe actionable if they hurt or obstruct?

its in direct opposition to that two year old response

so if we pretend that we know for a fact that differing playstyles is against new ToS, how is the minority not also "compelling a playstyle" by insisting on slow pulls?

also do point out which of it is a direct response?

[Fyce]

if they initially intended it to be a reason, it would be in the menu, and they wouldnt tell people improper kicks would be punished.

you can be certain a rule that is not listed anywhere, and you can only find out after reporting, is not going to be understood as valid by the majority of the people who use the kick feature.




this is how people interacting with vote dismiss are officially told it is to be used. Playstyle is an exception case offered for a specific instance, during heavensward, before they changed the TOS to be less tolerant.

People knowing or not, it doesn't change the fact that this list is actually obsolete.

It doesn't matter if someone doesn't know. They'll fill a report for "wrong usage of the kick feature", and they'll get this answer:

And now they'll know. End of the story.
What matters is the actual enforced policy. Not the "theorical first intent for when the kick feature was implemented years ago".

In short, is it "wrong" to use the votekick feature according to that list? Yes. Does that list actually matters when dealing with real cases? No.

[WaterShield]

its a fact that ingame, and in the na guide, they tell you how they expect vote dismiss to be used. One Gms response to a specific incident 2 years ago, does not mean SE always intended it to be used one way.

Even if its the case they always intended it to be used this way, its a bad implementation, because they never tell anyone to use it that way, they never explain what consitutes playstyle, and they inconsistently enforce it, sometimes taking action, and sometimes not.

I've counted at least 4 different GM responses that all support one another in this, responding to different complaints.

[Feidam]

We just need a current acknowledgment to settle this.

[Hash_Browns]

We just need a current acknowledgment to settle this.

This isn't ever going to be settled. I feel like even with a GM response, the other side is still going to not be happy.