Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Vahlnir]

From what I can tell, this tank wasn't doing what the party WANTED him to do; not doing what he wanted to do. He was there to tank, was doing it, and got kicked anyway.

I don't agree with why they were kicked, but the group had a right to do so. A "difference in playstyles" is a legitimate reason and that's exactly what it was. I probably wouldn't have initiated the kick myself or even clicked yes though because it seems rather petty. Now if they were pulling slow and not tanking what they were pulling? I wouldn't have hesitated and would have had no regrets. But if someone is doing their job at least mostly correctly then I just suck it up and think "well, this is what I signed up for" because the DF is a mixed bag.

[Greven]

I don't agree with why they were kicked, but the group had a right to do so. A "difference in playstyles" is a legitimate reason and that's exactly what it was. I probably wouldn't have initiated the kick myself or even clicked yes though because it seems rather petty. Now if they were pulling slow and not tanking what they were pulling? I wouldn't have hesitated and would have had no regrets. But if someone is doing their job at least mostly correctly then I just suck it up and think "well, this is what I signed up for" because the DF is a mixed bag.

The only legitimate reasons to vote dismiss are:
- AFK;
- Offline;
- Harassment;
- Cheating.

[Vahlnir]

The only legitimate reasons to vote dismiss are:
- AFK;
- Offline;
- Harassment;
- Cheating.

And a difference in playstyles. This was stated back in ARR when the kick was first implemented. They just don't police much it since it generally sorts itself out unless there was an actual abuse of the system which they do take pretty seriously. Impeding the progress of a group could be considered harassment though depending on what was said and done.

[Greven]

And a difference in playstyles. This was stated back in ARR when the kick was first implemented.

I did vote dismiss sometimes, last time was quite some time ago indeed, but I don't remember seeing that as one of the reasons in the list

[Vahlnir]

I did vote dismiss sometimes, last time was quite some time ago indeed, but I don't remember seeing that as one of the reasons in the list

It's not on the list but it's a thing.

[hydralus]

It's a courtesy to pull more than 1 pack of mobs if your group can handle it. It's also a courtesy to put up with it so as neither group were willing to be courteous I'd say it evens out.

[Feidam]

Kicking a tank who refuses to play effectively isn't harassment, nor do they get penalized.
If you want the reward from the dungeon, you gotta be willing to work for it.

Clearing the dungeon is effective. Be it small or large pulls. Not everyone is efficient.

[Greven]

It's not on the list but it's a thing.

I understand what you mean, if it was the case, which never happened, I would ask to be kicked if I was the issue.

"Being a thing" doesn't make it legitimate though.
Think about it: an unwritten rule, known only by you and another person that can be easily used to justify kicking whoever you want in whichever situation.. it's not valid, it's not even a thing.

[Kaedan]

I don't agree with why they were kicked, but the group had a right to do so. A "difference in playstyles" is a legitimate reason and that's exactly what it was. I probably wouldn't have initiated the kick myself or even clicked yes though because it seems rather petty. Now if they were pulling slow and not tanking what they were pulling? I wouldn't have hesitated and would have had no regrets. But if someone is doing their job at least mostly correctly then I just suck it up and think "well, this is what I signed up for" because the DF is a mixed bag.

"A difference in playstyles" is not a valid reason to kick if they are playing as intended (which they were).

In fact, them kicking the tank for not playing the way they like actually falls specifically under reportable offences of the new ToS. So regardless of whether someone agrees or not that it was harassment (it was), they can't argue that it was against the ToS and reportable (if the tank felt the need to report them).

[Bacent]

Tanks indeed set the pace.
The pace should be as fast as possible.

It's about when and where though. I've been running into a lot of new tanks recently. I'm more than happy to let them go as fast/slow as they need to while they're trying to learn, and let them know they can ask me anything if they need it. I have some friends that just returned to the game after taking a break for a couple years almost, and he's beyond rusty.

If people are upfront about wanting to slow down, I'm more than happy to slow down a bit and blast the enemies as a healer (When I'm a healer that is), this doesn't include times I'm in a dungeon and the tank has a first time notice.

I feel like people are the most understanding when an expac drops though. Everything is new to everyone, and a lot of people do slow down when learning a dungeon/new boss/ect.