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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    That would be unnecessary. What was being proposed is Embrace would activate on a GCD from the SCH anyway.....
    Ok so what would be the GCDs you would use to activate Embrace? Now the first one at get that actually can target an ally is Lustrate at lvl 50, so up until that level the fairy would have no way to be commanded to use Embrace if we base it around this idea. What about multiple target GCDs such as Idomability and Sacred Soil, how do you choose who to target with Embrace in this situation, because currently you can not. What if the SCH has no GCDs available for whatever reason, that would mean no fairy Embrace.

    We could use PvP SCH as a better example on how this works. When summoned, Eos's Embrace is insta-cast (and it's still a spell) but it only goes off when you use an healing action on a target, but considering there are no multiple target heals to use in this mode it's quite easy to specify the intended target. However considering the abilities and jobs are balanced much different in PvP, it's not too easy to replicate how it works in PvE.

    As for the defensive oriented buff debate (Rouse, Fey Illum, Mantra etc), considering Whispering Dawn benefited from all these effects when it was a spell means there is nothing to stop Embrace being sent down the same route. Buff Physick (closer to Cure, Benefic), nerf Embrace and there you have SCH taking advantage of the heal buffs instead of the pet. Also the fairy doesn't really suffering from movement issues much anyway (unlike SMN pets), so being able insta-cast just doesn't seem like it's necessary in comparison..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    Ok so what would be the GCDs you would use to activate Embrace?
    Physick

    Adloquium

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    Now the first one at get that actually can target an ally is Lustrate at lvl 50
    Lustrate is an oGCD

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    What about multiple target GCDs such as Idomability and Sacred Soil, how do you choose who to target with Embrace in this situation, because currently you can not.
    Firstly, when using an AoE, Fairy would simply do standard AI things. Heal the person with the lowest percentage HP.

    Secondly, Indomitability and Sacred Soil are both oGCDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    What if the SCH has no GCDs available for whatever reason, that would mean no fairy Embrace.
    You can't ever not have Physick or Adlo available, unless you're out of MP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    We could use PvP SCH as a better example on how this works. When summoned, Eos's Embrace is insta-cast (and it's still a spell) but it only goes off when you use an healing action on a target
    That's literally how I'm suggesting it works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    Also the fairy doesn't really suffering from movement issues much anyway (unlike SMN pets), so being able insta-cast just doesn't seem like it's necessary in comparison..
    It's not just movement issues that this is designed to fix, but also ability queuing, which is made infinitely worse by having cast time skills. With Fairy being the worst because Embrace is 2 second cast time (Compared to Garuda-Egi's Wind Blade at 1 second cast time)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
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    Yeah I noticed my oGCD and GCD got confusing there...

    Though if the fairy can cast Embrace for free without any command, why would being forced to use a GCD (or oGCD) be any better? Also several players choose to Macro the fairy so it only uses Embrace when they use a particular action (such as Physick), so they have actually that degree of control you are suggesting here apart from the spell casting time

    The fairy doesn't suffer as bad of issues with ability queuing though (again unlike SMN pets). If your fairy is casting Embrace, they will cancel it and use anything else if you command it (such as Whispering, or Fey etc), this was fixed several patches ago. Wind Blade on the other hand cannot be cancelled once it's casting which is what causes issues with Contagion, Devotion etc.
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    Last edited by Kurando; 04-22-2019 at 06:17 AM. Reason: Fixed typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    Though if the fairy can cast Embrace for free without any command, why would being forced to use a GCD (or oGCD) be any better?
    It would create a situation where the Fairy is more controlled.

    Also, it would make it easier to balance, given that Yoshi has been talking about how the fairy providing free heals is causing some balance issues with healers.

    With the fairy now being locked to GCD heals outside of Fey Union, it makes it much easier to adjust the strength of the Fairy and her actions. Without having to worry about SCH having a passive smart HoT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    Also several players choose to Macro the fairy so it only uses Embrace when they use a particular action (such as Physick), so they have actually that degres of control you are suggesting here apart from the spell casting time
    Well, that and they have to put up with the janky mechanics that are Macros in this game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    The fairy doesn't suffer as bad of issues with ability queuing though (again unlike SMN pets). If your fairy is casting Embrace, they will cancel it and use anything else if you command it, this was fixed several patches ago. Wind Blade on the other hand cannot be cancelled once it's casting which is what causes issues with Contagion, Devotion etc.
    Well, I've noticed some delays in casting fairy skills, while being stood still.

    So unless my Fairy is running around of her own volition, it doesn't seem like the spell cancelling AI is working perfectly.

    To say nothing about if this is the case, well, then it's a buff because instead of missing out on that Embrace cast... You'd get it and the ability you wanted to use too.
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