can we have 2nd raise ability via item ?

[NoctisUmbra]

then why fight with me on it for 3 pages if we all agree?

You're the one that's kept pushing and pushing.

This is why I said my points were going over your head.

[Molly_Millions]

You're the one that's kept pushing and pushing.

This is why I said my points were going over your head.

Your points were never going over my head. You are just trying to get in the last word, and I won't let you.

[NoctisUmbra]

Your points were never going over my head. You are just trying to get in the last word, and I won't let you.

... My saying let's agree to disagree, and you pushing further after that explicitly...

Right... I'm trying to have the last word lol. What are we, twelve? And here I was, wondering why your responses gradually made less and less sense, so much so that they weren't even addressing my point anymore.



Whatever - go ahead. You can have it.

[Molly_Millions]

... My saying let's agree to disagree, and you pushing further after that explicitly...

Right... I'm trying to have the last word lol. What are we, twelve? And here I was, wondering why your responses gradually made less and less sense, so much so that they weren't even addressing my point anymore.

your point being that changing to a class is never the best strategy? my point is how do you know? Jobs aren't in the game yet.

[NoctisUmbra]

your point being that changing to a class is never the best strategy? my point is how do you know? Jobs aren't in the game yet.

Holy shit, that was never my point. Re-read the last 2 pages, I've stated my point more than enough. Then Junpei summarized and rephrased it as well. You simply cannot be serious at this point.

[Molly_Millions]

let me go ahead and quote the post where this started:

No thanks .

If we're having to have classes mixed with jobs in our parties, something somewhere needs a fix.

I'll consider mixing classes with jobs to be training wheels for the transition at best. Never something expected to be done.

I completely disagree. If that were true, a person with all classes to 50 and all jobs unlocked would never be able to unequip their soul crystal. Being that we WILL be able to, it is EXPECTED that we will do just that.

[Firon]

Have you guys thought Jobs will lets say let any class do ifrit now. Now that pld can self cure for a good amount you don't need 2 cnj hammering down on cure's, you can have 1 whm curing tank while the other focus on DD's and keep them alive and heal the tank if s/he is in trouble. I do this now as a con so i can see it being even better now.

[Molly_Millions]

Have you guys thought Jobs will lets say let any class do ifrit now. Now that pld can self cure for a good amount you don't need 2 cnj hammering down on cure's, you can have 1 whm curing tank while the other focus on DD's and keep them alive and heal the tank if s/he is in trouble. I do this now as a con so i can see it being even better now.

You can kill Ifrit as any class now. The only real requirement is to have two CONs. It's just that doing so isn't the most efficient strategy, so most parties want a THM burn setup.

[NoctisUmbra]

let me go ahead and quote the post where this started:


I completely disagree. If that were true, a person with all classes to 50 and all jobs unlocked would never be able to unequip their soul crystal. Being that we WILL be able to, it is EXPECTED that we will do just that.

We are expected to use classes for some content and jobs for other.

Not all content in this game is done in full parties. Solo and light parties greatly favor versatility, and thus classes. That's why we have both classes and jobs.

Being able to switch doesn't mean we're expected to in every scenario. The devs, yoshi-p included, explicitly said that jobs are for full parties and all content is to be balanced around them.

You'll be happy to know that from this point on I won't bother responding unless you make a response that acknowledges your understanding of my points and makes sense. Judging by your track record over the last 2-3 pages, you'll likely be enjoying that last word.

[Riaayo]

You can kill Ifrit as any class now. The only real requirement is to have two CONs. It's just that doing so isn't the most efficient strategy, so most parties want a THM burn setup.

I've solo-healed Ifrit runs where I was the only Con and we win just fine. 2x Con is not required at all, but I would suggest it for any runs with melee DDs.

That said, if you want to have a Pug tank I think 2x Con is ideal as well and has worked for us.

Also I originally just felt the urge to reply to this thread with the same "Die less" sort of answer, but it taught me these raise items existed and I'm actually rather surprised to find out about it... I will have to check that out and grind up some points.

People really do need to stop dieing, though. For all the hate on WoW I see in this community, people die to Ifrit a lot when a dps death in WoW can easily mean a wipe. You don't get 8x battle raises in that game. You get like... 2, for a 10-man, per boss, and that assumes you even have the classes that can do it and it's off CD.