can we have 2nd raise ability via item ?

[NoctisUmbra]

If it were not intended to switch back to classes, SE would only allow you to remove the soul crystal when you switch to a class for which you have not equipped the corresponding job. Being that you CAN remove the soul crystal almost any time you like, it IS an intended mechanic. Therefore, it's not an option I'm willing to ignore should the situation arise where it would be useful to switch to a class.

Please send me a medium-sized notebook. I need to make a list of all the things that seem to be going over your head.

The fact that we can equip/unequip soul crystals mean we have the choice to use classes or jobs whenever we like.

The design philosophy behind the Job system was to have it used in Full Parties and be more effective than classes. How? By giving them powerful, exclusive abilities as well as role-specific attributes that allow them to do their job better than any class. What's the cost? You don't get to do everything, and thus rely on others. Such is teamwork.

After months and months of designing jobs to make them balanced and effective to that end, and stating that content is to be balanced based on a party of jobs, if we end up requiring people on classes for the most effective strategy, SE has failed.

That's all I'm saying. You can do w/e you like. Whatever floats your boat.

[Molly_Millions]

I don't agree, switching to classes over jobs is a tool that is available, I'm not going to ignore that. The only question is how many times will doing so be viable? Nothing is going over my head, but you definitely aren't paying attention here.

[NoctisUmbra]

I don't agree, switching to classes over jobs is a tool that is available, I'm not going to ignore that. The only question is how many times will doing so be viable? Nothing is going over my head, but you definitely aren't paying attention here.

Sigh.

I'm tired. Let's just agree to disagree.

[Molly_Millions]

Sigh.

I'm tired. Let's just agree to disagree.

I'll go one step further, IF it turns out that in practice, switching to classes is never the best option, then I'll agree to agree with you. But having never tried jobs to see how well (or not) they work in reality, rather than just in theory, I'm leaving everything on the table in terms of strategy.

[Junpei]

I think noctis' point is, and i'll try to sumise;

Class - multi functional and intended for low man groups to cover a wide array of variables
Job - dedicated roles where each member is a valuable and unique asset

If Square Enix implement jobs in a way where classes are still required to clear content because of their sheer utility belt array of skills then the implementation of jobs has failed.

Its not that we shouldnt use them for strategy molly, its that the strategies that involve all jobs should (no pun intended) out-class them.

[NoctisUmbra]

I think noctis' point is, and i'll try to sumise;

Class - multi functional and intended for low man groups to cover a wide array of variables
Job - dedicated roles where each member is a valuable and unique asset

If Square Enix implement jobs in a way where classes are still required to clear content because of their sheer utility belt array of skills then the implementation of jobs has failed.

Its not that we shouldnt use them for strategy molly, its that the strategies that involve all jobs should (no pun intended) out-class them.

I want to have your babies.

[Molly_Millions]

I think noctis' point is, and i'll try to sumise;

Class - multi functional and intended for low man groups to cover a wide array of variables
Job - dedicated roles where each member is a valuable and unique asset

If Square Enix implement jobs in a way where classes are still required to clear content because of their sheer utility belt array of skills then the implementation of jobs has failed.

Its not that we shouldnt use them for strategy molly, its that the strategies that involve all jobs should (no pun intended) out-class them.

I get his point. There was never a time that I didn't get it. I'm just not going to throw out a possible valid strategy based on theoretical usefulness of all jobs.

[NoctisUmbra]

I get his point. There was never a time that I didn't get it. I'm just not going to throw out a possible valid strategy based on theoretical usefulness of all jobs.

Never told you to throw it out.

Even said I'd use classes if I had to.

My point was it's not intended.

[Junpei]

I get his point. There was never a time that I didn't get it. I'm just not going to throw out a possible valid strategy based on theoretical usefulness of all jobs.

but .... nobody asked you too, or even disputed that.. at any point. noctis himself even said that if a situation called for classes he would use them.

sooo, we all agree with other.

[Molly_Millions]

but .... nobody asked you too, or even disputed that.. at any point. noctis himself even said that if a situation called for classes he would use them.

sooo, we all agree with other.

then why fight with me on it for 3 pages if we all agree?