Only 5 new skills per new job?!?!

[Inzoum]

I'm more curious about this - for the skills we gain from the other two classes. Are they going to be limited to certain skills we can choose from, such as it is now, you can only select a couple of skills per class. Or are we going to have more access to those two classes' abilities since its limited to the two?

You get access to the same abilities, only you're restricted to 2 specific classes depending on the Job. You get to import half as many of these as you would be able to with a base class. So it's basically:

CLASS:
• Access to some abilities from each class, up to 10 at Level 50
• No extra abilities

JOB:
• Access to some abilities from only 2 specific classes, up to 5 at Level 50
• 5 extra job-specific ability

Either way, as a level 50 player you get 10 abilities on top of what your base class can use. Using the job or not basically boils down to this:
• Favour powerful role-focused abilities and abandon some other useful abilities (ideal for party play)
• Favour versatility and freedom of choice and abandon powerful role-specific abilities (ideal for solo play)

They've been clear about this from the start: Jobs are not meant to overpower the base classes, they're meant to specialize them.

Job =/= Über-Class

[Fouluryu]

More job abilities = more amount of fun and choice selections.

[Riaayo]

i apologize, i was unaware that the info has been out that long haha but how is bard supposed to be a defining job with only 5 party buffs, saying that all 5 are buffs i mean

Because the days of a buffing class that just buffs and sits on its ass are over. If you think Bard exists only to sing you are not understanding Bard 2.0. This bard buffs, and then DPs and enfeebles as well with its con/thm nukes such as Aero, Stone and Blizzard. Furthermore Bard can act as a slight backup healer since it will be 1 of the 3 jobs that can even equip cure anymore, and will probably be on raise duty as well since it is, again, 1 of 3 that will have said spell.

Edit: I should note that Bard obviously will not be able to do ALL of this at once due to the 5 cross-class limit, so it will be highly based on the encounter I think, or based on if you are using 2 bards (1 equipping enfeebling nukes and another equipping buffs/cure & raise).

[Sanctus]

Because the days of a buffing class that just buffs and sits on its ass are over. If you think Bard exists only to sing you are not understanding Bard 2.0. This bard buffs, and then DPs and enfeebles as well with its con/thm nukes such as Aero, Stone and Blizzard. Furthermore Bard can act as a slight backup healer since it will be 1 of the 3 jobs that can even equip cure anymore, and will probably be on raise duty as well since it is, again, 1 of 3 that will have said spell.

Edit: I should note that Bard obviously will not be able to do ALL of this at once due to the 5 cross-class limit, so it will be highly based on the encounter I think, or based on if you are using 2 bards (1 equipping enfeebling nukes and another equipping buffs/cure & raise).

I'm sorry, did you forget bard has a bow. If I saw a bard nuking instead of shooting arrows I'd boot them..

[syntaxlies]

To me, this seems very disappointing, kind of like its the same exact job but with 5 new flashy things... how does anyone else feel about this?

I said the same thing before. I would have like to have seen 5 class skills drop, and add 10 job skills. By dropping 5 skills and adding 10 new ones it would give the jobs more diversity if they add more jobs per class. There is always the possibility they do this for the second job and not the current ones.

[MysteriousRonin]

With the job system I feel like Yoshi-P is trying to build a house on a foundation Tanaka built using his own feces instead of concrete.

I just hope we don't have to wait until 2.0 to get the Final Fantasy job feel instead of these abominations of FF jobs. They need to give up on this class/job system and make it the traditional Final Fantasy system.

[Agoven]

This is the INTRODUCTION of jobs...5 is plenty fine.

Future job skills will have to be earned in very HARD fashion...and you forget the level cap will not always be at 50.

[TirionCrey]

The whole point of jobs seems to be for people to learn to utilize their abilities and work together. I remember someone asking "Why invite a DD who can't raise?" Well..its simple. Don't die, pay attention. The role of a DD should be just that...to deal damage. Simple. Not to raise and watch peoples HP. Also don't take hate from the tank and you'll be fine. If you are concerned that much about raise and are dying that much there is always Raise items from GC.

Welcome to hard mode hehe finally ^_^

this would imply a battle system where you could actually do those things and only focus on your specific role in the Party...it has been like this from the beginning of the game(til 1.19)...Tanks tank, DDs deal DMG and healers heal...then it has become this abdomination of a cross class jack of all trades crap, since Ifrit it's all about doing your job while maintaining as much support for ALL other people in your group as possible while maximizing your own survivability...

Try moogle with just a Tank, DDs and Healers where nobody is doing anything besides his designated role...and see your group wipe in a few seconds at the beginning of phase 2...

The game is supporting this kind of behaviour and as long as content isn't supporting the Tank/DD/Heal thing, then it won't work...A.K.A. no Moogle like fights, cause they ruin the whole purpose of your class. Rather give me shit like Batraal again...that content worked at least...

[Isaaru]

With the job system I feel like Yoshi-P is trying to build a house on a foundation Tanaka built using his own feces instead of concrete.

I just hope we don't have to wait until 2.0 to get the Final Fantasy job feel instead of these abominations of FF jobs. They need to give up on this class/job system and make it the traditional Final Fantasy system.

Abomination of FF jobs? So much wrong with this statement.

[Umo]

I'm sorry, did you forget bard has a bow. If I saw a bard nuking instead of shooting arrows I'd boot them..

Are you bootin' current ARCs tossing Thunder on Moogle fights, too?
People here are trying to be funny over and over (in a poor way...) instead of posting useful comments. Meh...