Job System

[Zenaku]

That doesn't work when there is one class trumping all the others.

ARC are pointless in Ifrit so how are they trumping the other class? if Lancer and THM are the best DPS in there? you only use ARC for moogle and ifrit weps are use more and moogle are just for the cute sound most of them not better then the ifrit one. so i don't understand you at all ARC are good at dps don't get me wrong but PUG set up for moogle is not that bad also and i bet anything doing job set up with Warrior,Monk,Bard,Bard,WHM,PLD, and DRG or anything else would be good just for the buff they bring alone even monk with SAP can make a moogle do noting while the other take the other moogles down,.

[KumaAkuma]

ARC are pointless in Ifrit so how are they trumping the other class? if Lancer and THM are the best DPS in there? you only use ARC for moogle and ifrit weps are use more and moogle are just for the cute sound most of them not better then the ifrit one. so i don't understand you at all ARC are good at dps don't get me wrong but PUG set up for moogle is not that bad also and i bet anything doing job set up with Warrior,Monk,Bard,Bard,WHM,PLD, and DRG or anything else would be good just for the buff they bring alone even monk with SAP can make a moogle do noting while the other take the other moogles down,.

So if I understand you right than you think it's okay that one class does the best damage, takes the least damage, gets all the support buffs and can raise and cure people when needed.

(And why would you advocate for sap when you can just shadowbind with no mp drain, you don't even know if moogles can be sapped)

[Rizon]

Hmm so if I understand it correctly: It's not just that you get only 5 cross abilities, but you can only get them from two specific classes. So for example that only classes the would be able to use Raise (or Cure) would be Paladin, White Mage and Bard. The only classes that can use Invigorate are Dragoon and Monk etc.

This is really disturbing. For example for dungeons/endgame: Why would we want to bring a Dragoon or Monk or Marauder as damage dealers if the can't even offer the slightest support to the group. Everyone would bring Bards as damage dealers just for that reason, besides the fact that everyone is already bringing Archers now because of the easy damage they do and minor damage they take.

This is the basic FFXI party concept carried over, Tanks tank, DDs destroy, Support support. Depending on how quests and raids are constructed this may froce SE to go to a 2 party Alliance concept.

[Zenaku]

Hmm so if I understand it correctly: It's not just that you get only 5 cross abilities, but you can only get them from two specific classes. So for example that only classes the would be able to use Raise (or Cure) would be Paladin, White Mage and Bard. The only classes that can use Invigorate are Dragoon and Monk etc.

This is really disturbing. For example for dungeons/endgame: Why would we want to bring a Dragoon or Monk or Marauder as damage dealers if the can't even offer the slightest support to the group. Everyone would bring Bards as damage dealers just for that reason, besides the fact that everyone is already bringing Archers now because of the easy damage they do and minor damage they take.

Dude are you crazy? DRG,WAR and MNK all have awesome Spells like

WAR:Warmonger - Increases the maximum HP and attack power of all party members within range, and removes any Sleep effects. Stuns all enemies within range.

MNK:Hundred Fists
MNK:Sap - Prevents target from executing actions or moving. MP is consumed while effect is active. Effect fades upon executing an action, or if you or the target sustain damage.

And more that mean every job have a type of buff for the part or something that would help win the fight. Each job are great at something. The point of the jobs is to make White Mage the only one who care not how it is now in ifrit everyone heal themself and the conj just heal the tank now it be more everyone does DMG and the White mage 10x better then conj so there no need for everyone to heal.

[silverdragontyr]

Hmm so if I understand it correctly: It's not just that you get only 5 cross abilities, but you can only get them from two specific classes. So for example the only classes that would be able to use Raise (or Cure) would be Paladin, White Mage and Bard. The only classes that can use Invigorate are Dragoon and Monk etc.

This is really disturbing. For example for dungeons/endgame: Why would we want to bring a Dragoon or Monk or Marauder as damage dealers if the can't even offer the slightest support to the group. Everyone would bring Bards as damage dealers just for that reason, besides the fact that everyone is already bringing Archers now because of the easy damage they do and minor damage they take.

Bard has four songs to sing, all very useful, as well as being able to help heal and/or raise. Considering these factors, Brd won't be a very good DD, when they're spending half the battle keeping up very good buffs. As for "These jobs have no support" Mnk has Sap and Taunt(instant enemies diversion without exception. War has the ability to increase other jobs max HP. Not to mention these will be very strong DD. If you want to bring 5 Bard be my guest. I'll be bring a diverse group of jobs and enjoying myself with my LS.

[Estellios]

Job stats will be different than the Class stats. Perhaps Bard has less attack than archer and the other DDs will most likely have more attack than their Class.

The increased abilities of WHM would mean that you are meant to rely on them for support since they will be able to hold the lion's share of it, with bard for backup, so the DDs will be able to focus on DD'ing. It's the whole point of the Job system to specialize while boosting the character's abilities.

[Choyi]

Same goes for BLM, why bring them? They got no party support abilities, no backup cure, raise or buff, hell they don't even get access to few of the elements (wind and stone).
But yeah Hawk's Eye and Blindside will be very helpfull for any aspiring melee mage xD

[IStolzI]

Same goes for BLM, why bring them? They got no party support abilities, no backup cure, raise or buff, hell they don't even get access to few of the elements (wind and stone).
But yeah Hawk's Eye and Blindside will be very helpfull for any aspiring melee mage xD

Second Wind, Featherfoot, Quelling Strike, Chameleon, Decoy. Your 5 cross class abilities as BLM. Why you would pick the other two I don't even...

[SirOleas]

Second Wind, Featherfoot, Quelling Strike, Chameleon, Decoy. Your 5 cross class abilities as BLM. Why you would pick the other two I don't even...

Eh...some people just can't get past being limited skill wise on jobs.
Most of the stuff regarding the cross class abilities makes good sense.
Won't know til we try it out though.

[Choyi]

Second Wind, Featherfoot, Quelling Strike, Chameleon, Decoy. Your 5 cross class abilities as BLM. Why you would pick the other two I don't even...

Oops missed the part about only 5 cross class instead of 10, my bad! Need me morning coffee -.-;

I still belive its a tad silly that BLM(a master of magic) doesn't have access to all elements, but I guess thats more personal taste (though fighting lightning based mobs is suck).