Alliance Raid Roulette Dynamic AIL Enforcement? Yes, please!

[Doozer]

Here's something interesting to consider, even if it wasn't violating anything in the ToS: People shouldn't do that anyway. Taking off pieces of gear to lower your ilevel is just obnoxious. It reminds me of when people used to go into LotA in crafting gear. There's no good reason to do it, so even if it doesn't break any rules, they shouldn't do it anyway.

[Avatre]

As was pointed out(I think it might have been here on the forumns, or sometime while voice chatting with a few friends), but to unlock Alliance Roulette, you literally only need to do Labyrinth of the Ancients and Syrcus Tower. Nothing else. As long as you have enough to make it a Roulette(2 or more possibilities) then you can run it. Yes, certain roulettes(extreme and mentor for example) require you to have specific duties unlocked, almost, maybe even all, the other roulettes only need two duties to be used as such.

[Aramina]

As was pointed out(I think it might have been here on the forumns, or sometime while voice chatting with a few friends), but to unlock Alliance Roulette, you literally only need to do Labyrinth of the Ancients and Syrcus Tower. Nothing else. As long as you have enough to make it a Roulette(2 or more possibilities) then you can run it. Yes, certain roulettes(extreme and mentor for example) require you to have specific duties unlocked, almost, maybe even all, the other roulettes only need two duties to be used as such.

Not even this much. I only have LoTA unlocked (have not done it) but Alliance Roulette is still queueable. Can provide screenshots if anyone doesn't believe me

[Avatre]

Not even this much. I only have LoTA unlocked (have not done it) but Alliance Roulette is still queueable. Can provide screenshots if anyone doesn't believe me

Fair enough...I couldn't test it because I currently don't have an alt that can unlock those things.

Also, found where I remembered the information I mentioned above. Was pretty sure it was here on the forumns.

Fairly certain that Labyrinth pops so much in Alliance Raid roulette because you only need one raid to unlock the roulette, and LotA is the first 24-man you can come across in the game (last I checked—you could need two, but there again, second most common in Alliance Roulette is Syrcus Tower; and both make for easy roulettes for even easier EXP rewards)? I don’t think LotA popping more is due to a deliberate algorithm to make it pop more—it’s simply the one everyone has unlocked; and for those who won’t unlock more, your options are already extremely limited when you queue up for the roulette.

Exactly that. You can't roulette until you have at least two possibilities (eg. leveling roulette unlocks at Lv16 when you're eligible for both Sastasha and Tam-Tara) so everyone has to queue directly for Labyrinth when they first unlock it, then either directly queue for Syrcus Tower OR run the roulette for a 50% chance of either of those raids. Assuming they haven't already unlocked higher raids, anyway.

I'm at that point on an alt character. Did Labyrinth, unlocked Syrcus, ran the roulette instead of direct queuing, got Labyrinth for the second time in an hour. (And it very rudely dropped none of the Fuma gear for my ninja, except the eyepatch on both runs.)

[Iscah]

I'll admit I didn't actually check whether the roulette was available when I only had Labyrinth unlocked, because I knew leveling roulette didn't unlock until you had two options, and that's logical. But perhaps the underlying rules just unlock the roulette at a designated level, and for leveling it's the Lv16 requirement that ensures you have at least two options before you can run it.

[Avatre]

I'll admit I didn't actually check whether the roulette was available when I only had Labyrinth unlocked, because I knew leveling roulette didn't unlock until you had two options, and that's logical. But perhaps the underlying rules just unlock the roulette at a designated level, and for leveling it's the Lv16 requirement that ensures you have at least two options before you can run it.

It was going to be either you needed two for it, or just the one. That's why I included your comment above.

[Iscah]

It was going to be either you needed two for it, or just the one. That's why I included your comment above.

True. Either way, the system is set up to channel a lot of people into those raids, even without anyone deliberately gaming the system to force it to give them instead of something else.

All it takes it one new player clearing Labyrinth for the first time to drag an entire group back there again, and the roulette is naturally weighted to pull you back there again. I'm now fully entitled to run the roulette every day as a Lv51 character who has no choice but to get one of the CT raids, or a 2/3 chance of "Labyrinth or Syrcus" for any group that gets me.

There may be a bit more to the algorithm than that - I seem to sometimes get to the front of the queue and stall there for a while, so perhaps people are getting picked out to fill slots in higher-level raids before we get a full alliance ready to queue.

They're also promoting the CT raids currently, between MSQ and just yesterday a reminder in the login-screen announcements that they've made it easier to unlock by removing the FATE requirement. So it's likely that more people are currently running those specific raids.

[programcanaan]

Another alliance raid can always be formed. Perhaps they should fix the problem at the root and lower the max ilv cap so that they wouldn't be the faceroll that they are currently.

[Canadane]

It'd be very hard for someone still levelling up their alt classes if a strict minimum ilvl based on your highest class was involved.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

What rules does it break? You have yet to show any rule that says such behaviour is not allowed.
You repeatedly stating that it is against the rules, without ever showing any actual evidence that it is, does not make it so.

i have already shown where it is against the rules. and, not only is it against the rules, but this type of behavior is also covered by 3.2 in the URA.

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

regardless of which-ever way someone wants to look at it... people ARE abusing this, it should be stopped. as far as people purposely not unlocking further Alliance Raids go... nothing can be done about that. chances are they will eventually unlock them. and even if they don't, i imagine fewer people will have only a few Alliance Raids unlocked than what is abusing this 'trick'.