Marauder Vs Warrior

[Holyomen]

If Jobs will only have the abilities of their corresponding Class and Subclass, it would seem that the standard Class would have an advantage over the Jobs since they are able to use abilities from all other classes.

If we compare MRD against WAR as a DD I'm likely to view MRD as the better choice.

MRD can use:
Blood for Blood
Invigorate
Keen Flurry
Quelling Strike
Blindside
Hawk's Eye
Incapacitation WSs (Demolish, Leaden Arrow, Gloom Arrow, Heavy Thrust, Impulse Drive)

WAR gets:
Double Attack
Counter Attack
AoE Attack Up buff

Now if those 3 abilities makes WAR a better DD than MRD I'd be the happiest Highlander in Eorzea, but I'm very doubtful of that. And I'm willing to bet those abilities have a 5 min+ recast timer on them.

Even when it comes to tanking I still don't see WAR as a winner over MRD.

MRD can use:
Cure
Sacred Prism
Stoneskin
Protect
Second Wind
Featherfoot
Sanguine Rite
Heavy Thrust(stuns and incapacitates legs)
Raise (Not really needed for tanking, but nice to have)

I've heard some say that the Jobs will only have the abilities of their Subjob up to level 15, and if that's the case MRD will have Sentinel and WAR won't.

So if WAR turns out to be worse than MRD at tanking, who would want a WAR over a Paladin? And if MRD can do more dps than WAR, who would invite a WAR over a Dragoon?

Hopefully I'm missing something huge and this is not the case at all. Perhaps WAR will get an incredible stat boost and be "the most fierce fighter on the battle field" as SE describes them. And I'll be able to put my fears of never getting my WAR a party invite to rest.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

All I know is, Thursday can not come soon enough. Until then I'd hate to speculate, but I do think a lot of people are going to have a hard time adjusting to not having some of those subclass abilities that they are used to having all the time. (Invigorate, Cure, and Second Wind being the big ones I can think of.)

[NoctisUmbra]

Warmonger and Double Attack are very important.

Especially Warmonger. This is a good example of why jobs are meant for full party scenarios. You can't think of how much you increase your own DPS. Warmonger will increase the damage output of all physical DDs, which should be at least 1 each of BRD, MNK, LNC, and PLD ideally, though which jobs you have present doesn't matter much so long as you have physical DDs. They all get a buff from Warmonger, which in turn makes the party much more effective than if you yourself would be better.

Also nobody knows how the cross-class limitations are gonna be. Some of those skills are likely to be accessible as well.

[DeadRiser]

Now that we know they can cross class from Gladiator and Pugilist, plus the upped attributes from getting the job title, it's safe to say that Warrior will be awesome lol

[silverdragontyr]

Blindside, Second Wind, Featherfoot, Outmaneuver, Sentinel, Shield Bash, Flash, Rampart

Verrry Inteeresting. If nothing else War will be one hell of a meat shield with "Highest HP" and HP+ Buff.

Also, Steel Cyclone - Delivers a melee attack to enemies in range. Consumes Rampage effect when active to increase damage. Combo Action: Skull Sunder Combo Bonus: Critical hit. If this is a relatively strong WS, you be able to double it's hit for good crowd control damage(Storm's Path redux? >.>). If using it in a combo makes both hits crit, then presumably you could use Blindside on Godsbane to guarentee a crit from that as well. That sounds like a lot of power from WS.

[Zenaku]

Warmonger and Double Attack are very important.

Especially Warmonger. This is a good example of why jobs are meant for full party scenarios. You can't think of how much you increase your own DPS. Warmonger will increase the damage output of all physical DDs, which should be at least 1 each of BRD, MNK, LNC, and PLD ideally, though which jobs you have present doesn't matter much so long as you have physical DDs. They all get a buff from Warmonger, which in turn makes the party much more effective than if you yourself would be better.

Also nobody knows how the cross-class limitations are gonna be. Some of those skills are likely to be accessible as well.

Remember a lot of players only care about there own DPS and only want to do the best DMG. People don't see that Jobs are about team work to make the party more effective which then mean that everyone would be doing good DMG and winning. Or think that by losing cure and other type of spell class are better then jobs which may not be true.

[Belial]

And Lodestone has answered, Warrior can cross-class Gladiator & Pugilist abilities.

[Lienn]

Well, these cross-class actions got me upset.

In the end it was SE accepting the fact they failed at job system planning. You see...the plan was MRD is flexible for solo/small PTs and WAR is specialized for full PTs...MRD can cross-class at will and WAR would have no cross-class.

Then they changed a bunch of class actions into class exclusive and announced that jobs would actually require 2 classes, already leaving clear you already would cross-class from one class.

Now we gor classes extremely limited regarding cross class actions and they actually allowing jobs to cross class 2 classes.

The sequence of class nerfs and relaxing of job restrictions announcements just reflect SE also is afraid of what holyomen posted...and what we are seeing in pretty much every cllass forum...they are afraid that jobs won't reach the expectations and will become worse than classes.

I so won't judge jobs now and even after 1.21 because i already am expecting them to fail...but i'm already curious to see how they planning to revert this...maybe job WSs will deal damage like the good old WSs (like maim, doomspike, victimize, etc)...maybe they will be really cheap regarding TP...i'm not really sure.

IMO the jobs will only reflect their real potential after the said poll planned for after 1.21 and after at least the first balancing patch...before thes they might just be a complete crap that might become potentially dependent of AF effects...just like some jobs were in XI. I do am expecting AFs having a very big impact at job performance.

[NoctisUmbra]

Well, these cross-class actions got me upset.

In the end it was SE accepting the fact they failed at job system planning. You see...the plan was MRD is flexible for solo/small PTs and WAR is specialized for full PTs...MRD can cross-class at will and WAR would have no cross-class.

Then they changed a bunch of class actions into class exclusive and announced that jobs would actually require 2 classes, already leaving clear you already would cross-class from one class.

Now we gor classes extremely limited regarding cross class actions and they actually allowing jobs to cross class 2 classes.

The sequence of class nerfs and relaxing of job restrictions announcements just reflect SE also is afraid of what holyomen posted...and what we are seeing in pretty much every cllass forum...they are afraid that jobs won't reach the expectations and will become worse than classes.

I so won't judge jobs now and even after 1.21 because i already am expecting them to fail...but i'm already curious to see how they planning to revert this...maybe job WSs will deal damage like the good old WSs (like maim, doomspike, victimize, etc)...maybe they will be really cheap regarding TP...i'm not really sure.

IMO the jobs will only reflect their real potential after the said poll planned for after 1.21 and after at least the first balancing patch...before thes they might just be a complete crap that might become potentially dependent of AF effects...just like some jobs were in XI. I do am expecting AFs having a very big impact at job performance.

They never, ever, said jobs would not be able to cross class at all.

[Belial]

I so won't judge jobs now and even after 1.21 because i already am expecting them to fail...

^ Uhhh....