Why Does A Fierce Race Of Female Warriors...

[Jaywalker]

I get tone doesn't translate great online sometimes, so off the bat just want to say--not going for angry, hostile, harsh, any of that when I disagree in this post. Mild and conversational from my end.

I'm not bothered at all by the fanservice, lack of realism, lack of practicality, etc. for Viera and their starting gear. Not even bothered that the Veena (who apparently live in snowy landscapes) are gonna be freezing their bunny butts off if we stop and think seriously about it. And I'd like to suggest, gently, that this is a kind of silly thing to get worked up about.

Reasons are this. Final Fantasy as a franchise has been both notable and consistent about suspension of disbelief in the name of fun. Fun might mean "badass" or it might mean "hot" or "funny" or any number of things. It's pretty equal opportunity in terms of gender. You can get waifish characters wielding swords twice their height. You can show male and female characters running around freezing areas in swimsuits. You can have the Warrior of Light fight Zenos in a fat chocobo mask.

Viera are genderlocked right now yeah, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time before that changes. Same with Hrothgar. When gender is unlocked for Viera, if the guys are similarly fanservice-y then that is supremely fair imo.

But beyond that. First, we can always put a Viera character into something more modest. Second, there are a ton of games out now with character customization as an option where either female characters are modest or outright barred from feminine clothing. There are more practical, realistic game options too.

The approach to Viera is very in-keeping with the tone Final Fantasy has maintained overall. Suspension of disbelief is consistent in how it's used and how it isn't. If you want something practical, realistic, devoid of fanservice, etc. honestly you might be happier with a different game.

[Gemina]

1. Until someone decides it's "problematic"
2. See #1
3. True, but just because someone is offended by something doesn't automatically make that something wrong.
4. False. If this thread and the ones that are demanding male Viera are any indication then the devs most certainly can not do what they like because if they could then none of us would be having these discussions.

1. It's a bit more complicated than that. You can wear whatever you want in the west within the confines of the law. For example, I could dress in full armor and walk down the street, but I cannot have a giant blade strapped to my back. However, if an individual finds just the armor problematic, there really isn't a whole lot they can do about it. We're not communists. Property owners and businesses can deem what is appropriate, and do have rights to expel those who do not meet that criteria within their property lines. It's pretty similar in FFXIV, and what the devs will not allow isn't even implemented in the game in the first place, or there are restrictions in place.

2. See #1

3. Your #1 and #3 contradict each other

4. What on Earth does that have to do with anything? The devs can most certainly add male Viera if they wanted to. They chose not to in order to bring Hrothgar into the game. Examples of what the devs cannot do is show an excessive amount of gore, rape, pornography, infringe on copyrights, or allow players to name their characters certain names such as Cloud Strife. So while what Jandor stated is indeed false, it has nothing to do with decisions based around exclusion of gender with new races. Take this agenda to one of the many threads that pertain to that topic.

[Joven]

1. It's a bit more complicated than that. You can wear whatever you want in the west within the confines of the law. For example, I could dress in full armor and walk down the street, but I cannot have a giant blade strapped to my back. However, if an individual finds just the armor problematic, there really isn't a whole lot they can do about it. We're not communists. Property owners and businesses can deem what is appropriate, and do have rights to expel those who do not meet that criteria within their property lines. It's pretty similar in FFXIV, and what the devs will not allow isn't even implemented in the game in the first place, or there are restrictions in place.

2. See #1

3. Your #1 and #3 contradict each other

4. What on Earth does that have to do with anything? The devs can most certainly add male Viera if they wanted to. They chose not to in order to bring Hrothgar into the game. Examples of what the devs cannot do is show an excessive amount of gore, rape, pornography, infringe on copyrights, or allow players to name their characters certain names such as Cloud Strife.

1. You carry a sword, you don't wear it just like you carry a firearm. Just because it's on your body doesn't mean it's considered clothing. We aren't talking about private businesses when it comes to what the general public wears, that's an entirely different scenario. If someone finds something another person wears as "problematic" and can convence the right people of why they think it is such then something will be done about it. How do you think laws about what can and can't be worn were made? Someone decided they didn't like something. That's what I mean by "until someone finds it "problematic"".

2. Devs are bound to public opinion. Sure they can design a character however they want, initially, but if the public doesn't approve then they're forced to change it or not make sales. Similar to #1 if one person has a problem with it and can convince others then things will be changed.

3. No, they complement each other. You are allowed to be offened by something, but again, your offense doesn't make that something wrong i.e. demand it be changed.

4. I was refering to the backlash towards the fact that they didn't offer male Viera as a way to highlight that they're not allowed to do what they want. If they could do what they wanted then they could simply say something like "you're not getting male Viera, deal with it." , but they can't because of the negative impact it would have on their sales. Just like with #2. Even you admit that they can't do whatever they want with "Examples of what the devs cannot do is show an excessive amount of gore, rape, pornography, infringe on copyrights, or allow players to name their characters certain names such as Cloud Strife." If they could do what they wanted then none of those would be an issue.

[Joven]

OmNomNom

it's fine if their appearance is not to your preference, but you can't just say "this is a problem" simply because you find it unsatisfying. No game is going to please everyone. They have to settle for trying to please as many people as they can while still holding to their vision of how the game should be. The fact that this game has far more customization options for characters than most other MMOs out there now is pretty impressive to say the least. You can be tall, short, buff, lean, feline, dragon-lizard thing and potato while also being able to choose your own skin tone, eye color, hair color, etc.

[Nora_of_Mira]

...look like strippers? Come on, S.E.

I was looking forward to playing a Viera for something different but that starting outfit is too much for me to overlook. They look like they are straight out of Forsaken World.

I thought you were better than that, Square Enix. Count me as disappointed.

uhm, have you seen the female Hyur starting undergarments?

[Ceridwenae]

it's fine if their appearance is not to your preference, but you can't just say "this is a problem" simply because you find it unsatisfying.

Yes I can. Here: It's a problem. I find it a problem, a particularly unsatisfying one. Other people find it a problem. Other people do not find it a problem for them, yet that does not stop it from being a problem, just not for everyone. Are you telling me I can't say here, in this forum where we discuss this game and ask for things to be taken on board by devs (and so on and so forth), what I find problematic with this product I otherwise love and really enjoy?

No game is going to please everyone. They have to settle for trying to please as many people as they can while still holding to their vision of how the game should be. The fact that this game has far more customization options for characters than most other MMOs out there now is pretty impressive to say the least. You can be tall, short, buff, lean, feline, dragon-lizard thing and potato while also being able to choose your own skin tone, eye color, hair color, etc.

Well, yes. So why place a restriction on this now? Because money or time constraints? Okay then, but why then put two races in then instead of one "complete" one? Because lore? We've broken that one already a few times over. But really this conversation you and I are having may be better served in one of the more appropriate threads; I'm very conscious of the fact this may be derailing this specific thread somewhat, despite having similar points to touch upon (so if you want to do that, I'm more than happy to: quote this post on one of those of your choice if you want to continue discussing this, and I'll pick it up there with you. )

Btw, have always liked your sig.

[LyraKuroneko]

uhm, have you seen the female Hyur starting undergarments?

Miqo'te starter gear are no better x)

I think they have the shortest skirt of the game.

So why the shock now.

[silentwindfr]

...look like strippers? Come on, S.E.

I was looking forward to playing a Viera for something different but that starting outfit is too much for me to overlook. They look like they are straight out of Forsaken World.

I thought you were better than that, Square Enix. Count me as disappointed.

because they live in a jungle? i means a place that is litterally super hot....
without forget they tend to be the agile type that don't need to be hinder by armor

and finally..... because culture. don't try to add morality of our world into something that have nothing in common with! our commons sense will have no way to resist into a world like FF14... the advantage of a game is allows you to explore stuff you cant find in real life....

and by the way, it's the starting gears, something you will change in less of 20 minutes....
at this point it's simply either a troll or a complain that have no reason to be.

don't be a tartuffe and accept difference!

[CraftOs]

I’m going to dye my hair pink, gain a ton of weight, order a pair of hipster glasses, and call everyone at SE a bunch of mysoginists.

[AriaFairchild]

kinda late to the party, but I think if there's any shed of realism in this game...Garlemald would have steamrolled Eorzea even before ARR starts. They have air superiority, they have artillery, the have armors...and yet they are so inept as to send lines of infantry to trade blows with Eorzeans like idiots. Eorzeans have almost zero means to defend air incursions and night raids...and yet Garleans are still content with trading blows with the savages by throwing bodies at them...